i have just read in migros magazine that veggie bags are being sold in zurich. when can we expect them in all other regions? this is a great idea!!!
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Yes, unfortunately we can no longer do completely without plastic. When I thought of packaging, I was thinking of fruit and vegetables, for example. Somehow Rewe and Edeka manage to sell their goods mostly open, so why doesn't that work in Switzerland?
By the way, plastic from Switzerland can also end up in the sea, but before that in our lakes and drinking water, great!
http://nachhaltig-sein.info/unternehmen-csr-nachhaltigkeit/mikroplastik-in-zahnpasta-und-duschgel-eine-akute-gefahr-fur-trinkwasser-meere-und-umwelt
Excerpt from the next link
If you want to avoid phthalates, you should definitely not consume food from plastic packaging or drinks from plastic bottles. Surprisingly, you can see in many supermarkets that organic food in particular is packaged in plastic
http://www.zentrum-der-gesundheit.de/phthalate-weichmacher-ia.html
Guest
Hello everyone
Thank you all for your interest in the new Veggie Bags. I have looked at some of the points raised in the discussion with those responsible at the Migros Cooperative Zurich.
- How long will the pilot phase last?
This is still open and undefined. We will gather initial experience and react accordingly.
- What material are the bags made of?
The bag is made of polyester (as you have already found out yourselves) and is deliberately reusable and can also be washed. The advantage is clearly the reusability and thus the multiple use. In this way, we want to provide a more sustainable alternative.
- How heavy are the bags?
7 grams.
- Has the setting of the vegetable scales been scaled to these bags?
Regardless of the weight, the idea is that customers place the products unpackaged on the scales and then pack them in the bags. Then all they have to do is stick the label on the bag.
- Why are the small plastic bags free, but the veggie bag has to be paid for?
Because the costs for development, procurement and materials are relatively high. In addition, the veggie bags are of a higher quality than plastic bags and are not intended as disposable items, but should - as already mentioned - be washed and often reused.
The reusable bags were introduced in collaboration with the marine conservation organization OceanCare. The decisive factor was the desire expressed several times by customers for an alternative to plastic bags.
Kind regards
Tanja
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Hello
Regardless of the weight, the idea is that customers place the products unpacked on the scales and then pack them in a bag.Then all they have to do is stick the label on the bag.
That's nonsense and Migros, and you Tanja, know that very well. Nobody does that, Migros just wants to cheat customers out of the weight of the bag.
If I want 15 to 20 apricots for a cake, then logically I put them in a bag. In open sales, it's much easier to collect the fruit I want. When I get to the scales, should I take them out of the bag again so that I don't have to pay the kilo price of the goods? I'm just wondering how many loose apricots can fit on the scales without tumbling down. I'd also like to see you in person Tanja, picking up the apricots, 600g of grapes, 1kg of tomatoes, 300g of nuts and 400g of chanterelles on a Saturday at peak shopping time, weighing them and packing them in your bags. I would of course take a friend with me to film the whole thing, but you wouldn't dare anyway.
The idea is that customers pay for their
pay for their own bags again and again.
Because the costs for development, procurement and material are relatively high.
Nonsense again, and in a double pack. Migros did not develop these bags, it buys the cheapest (probably pirated) version in China by the ton, after which a bag costs a few centimes. Polyester is certainly not the cheapest plastic, but to charge a tenner for it is nothing other than gross usury.
BonPrix offers many textiles made of 100% polyester in its current summer collection. Many of these products are deliberately NOT produced in China, because the country has a very bad reputation when it comes to textiles due to the jeans, the lack of health and safety at work and the unfiltered waste water.
The 100% polyester ladies' shirt linked below costs CHF 9.95
http://www.bonprix.ch/produkt/strukturshirt-mit-foilprint-wollweiss-schwarz-bedruckt-941577/#image
The actual purchase price for the required quantity is probably less than one franc. The pretty model, the photographer, the webshop, the IT and the catalog still cost something, but the lion's share of the price consists of margin. The price for the item is okay, after all you can package a cute creature quite nicely with it. But who can plausibly explain to me now that the cheat China bags are made of better material and required higher development costs than the "girl packaging material" from BonPrix.
Greetings from the Migi piglet
Even the fennel is now in plastic - unbelievable!
@Tanja_MigrosIfyou read your answers in here, you might think that Migros assumes that only idiots are registered here. How stupid do you think we are? Excuses, lies and systematic whitewashing. I haven't read any real customer and/or environmentally friendly solutions from Migros in here for a long time.
Guest
...unfortunately true, Migipedia is becoming more and more of an alibi exercise ? ?
Guest
But Migros is - not everyone ;-)
Huh?
Guest
Hello
A quick thought; why actually use plastic for plastic and not reuse old (curtain) fabrics?
Most curtain fabrics available and affordable today are completely or partially made of polyester. Fruit and vegetable bags made of thin tulle like gauze could possibly be produced. However, the weight of such a bag is likely to be higher, especially if the bag has a drawstring.
Cutting and sewing would take a maximum of 5 minutes if it goes with the flow. Could also be made domestically by enthusiastic hobby seamstresses at the same price as artificial mass-produced goods.
You have to cut the fabrics, sew a tunnel for the cord at the head, hem the whole thing, sew it together and sew in at least one or two areas of a thicker fabric to which the weighing label can be attached and where it will hold. You can't do that in five minutes. With the quantities that Migros wants to sell at a profit, it will be difficult to find enough amateur seamstresses who don't want to be paid for their work.
Just think how many supermarket branches Migros has, if only 50 customers want the China-Mogel bags, the national figure is in the hundreds of thousands. Migros-Aare already has over 120 branches, sometimes 50 noses, sometimes four bags = 24,000 pieces. How long do you sew them? It's impossible for us to produce the bags at this price.
But your mind game has given me an idea. Tanja, please be so kind as to clarify in which Chinese province these bags were made. I would also like to know through which intermediary company the goods were purchased and which factories ultimately produced the bags. I want to know whether these bags were possibly made by children and would like to have the opportunity to have this checked by an independent body.
Migros has promised little Alina that all Migros own-brand textiles will be produced in an environmentally friendly, socially responsible and traceable way by the end of 2017. I don't care if these veggie things aren't own brand. If Migros advertises them as "ECO", which is not true, then the bags should at least be socially responsible and not produced by children. For bags with a price of CHF 9.90 and a margin of 800% to 1000%, Migros should at least be prepared to inform consumers about the exact origin of the goods.
Kind regards from the Migi piglet
"...maybe someone would now like to sew a bag themselves from old fabrics, which really only takes a few minutes :)"
I think that's a good idea about sewing it yourself. But what fabric/material do you use to make the flag for sticking on the labels?
I think these bags are great, by the way! The only flaw is that the labels only stick to the labeled side of these flags. I sometimes have 8 different things in one bag. I sometimes have 8 different things in one bag and then there's not enough space for the labels or I lose them by the time I get to the checkout.
"Regardless of the weight, the idea is that customers put the products unpacked on the scales and then pack them in the bag. Then all they have to do is stick the label on the bag.
That's nonsense and Migros, and you Tanja, know that very well. Nobody does that, Migros just wants to cheat customers out of the weight of the bag."
YES, I DO THAT!!! I've always done the same with the plastic bags. That way I usually only needed one bag. And by the way, if you don't put the bag on the scales, you're saving money, not Migros.