Just found out that Migros aka Globus still sells foie gras.
So I'm saying goodbye to Migros. I'll be shopping at Coop again from now on. They are making better progress in animal welfare, environmental protection and fair trade than you are. What's more, they have a larger selection of organic fruit and vegetables.
With family (and friends who always go with me), that's only a few thousand francs a month. But maybe more will follow suit and at some point it will reach the moneybags in your carpet floors. Migros hasn't been what it was for a long time. It has completely succumbed to predatory capitalism and only cash counts. Everything else is a whitewash.
I would bet that the good old activist Gottlieb would turn in his grave if he saw what his heirs had done with his life's work.
I'll check in every two years to see if you're still worshipping golden calves. In the meantime, I wish you all the best!
Bye bye
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Guest
>Firstly, how inconsiderate, selfish and lacking in any empathy
>our species is towards all others.
I wouldn't say that, on the contrary, humans are probably much more concerned about the effects of their actions on other species than any other species. A cat catches, tortures and eats a mouse, apparently without any feelings of guilt - and this is regularly regarded as the most normal thing in the world. It is, it's called the food chain. Besides, humans are almost certainly the only species on this planet that knows laws to protect other species and tries to avoid unnecessary suffering. I don't know any farmer who hurts his pigs just for fun, chases them around the farm 5 times, hurts them again and then slaughters them at the end (other predators, e.g. cats, do this).
Mind you: this does not mean that we have to go to any lengths to do justice to animal welfare. Or that we should generally refrain from using other species as a source of food.
>On the other hand, too many people have still not realized that
>that there is a bigger picture at stake
A beautiful sentence. Almost as nice as 'if everyone did it this way ...'. Especially used by moral preachers and people who want to impose their lifestyle on others. As I said, I have absolutely nothing against it if others - for whatever reason - decide not to eat meat or animal products. There you go, let them be happy with it, I don't like certain foods either. In the same way, I (as a scientist and atheist) have nothing against people believing in deities and imposing rituals, customs and associated restrictions on themselves based on this.
There is only one thing I do object to: when people want to sell their lifestyle as the only right one and impose it on others.
Addendum:
> Based on N_Vogel's signature alone, it wouldn't occur to me to have a discussion with
> to have a discussion with him/her. That seems to me to be the last straw.
Perhaps that's a harsh way of putting it, as a kind of antithesis to the organic/eco-advocates who regularly post here on Migipedia. That probably doesn't hurt when you look at what the threads here regularly revolve around ... Alnatura, animal welfare, bee protection, 'is product X vegan', 'product Y comes from too far away', 'packaging of product Z is not ecological', 'product XX contains E999', ...
As I said, it's a satisfying realization if these are the only problems Migros has. Not that I see any acute problems, but it's starting to get annoying.
Hey guys - if you don't like a product, just don't buy it. But please don't keep demanding that Migros should no longer sell imported eggs, foie gras, apples from Chile or foods with glutamate. There should be people who want to buy these things, otherwise they wouldn't be on offer.
Guest
Hello
Because if everyone lived like you, the world would have ended long ago. Don't pass the responsibility for this on to others like whining little children in a sandpit.Act like thinking beings instead of just instinct-driven egomaniacs and take responsibility for your own actions!
What are you taking responsibility for? Do you think you're better if you make your own flour, buy very little and take the garbage out of the forest? Should everyone be like you? Who would be left to finance the infrastructure, import your organic products and develop the software that you use to shout your abstruse views to the world? Do you really believe that you can take it upon yourself not to be partly responsible for general grievances?
Do you already feel like a new messiah, a homo superior who stands above homo sapiens and guides them? Or is your alternative way of life merely a rebellious, pitiful result of deep resignation?
Nevertheless, I am glad that you have shared your ignorance here. It shows exactly the problems that you always have with extreme grassroots grasshoppers from the rabbit food faction. Taking yourself out of society and seeing your own actions as better is fanaticism. This doesn't improve anything, it only hardens the fronts and it seems to me that this is precisely the aim of the fanatics. Because it makes it so easy to blame the others, just like the grassroots activists always do with their impossible demands.
Because if everyone lived like you, the world would have ended long ago. WRONG! Most people do live like that and the world is far from over. Of course, that doesn't mean you can always carry on like this, but nobody does. Sustainable change takes time. It takes time to recognize mistakes, it takes time to develop methods to eliminate the mistakes, it also takes time to establish the new practice and it takes even more time for the better technology to establish itself globally. The best example of this is energy conversion, conversion because energy cannot be extracted or generated but only converted.
In the past, wood was burned to generate heat with a fire. However, it is more efficient to use fuels to heat water, which flows through heating elements in a circuit. As water is such a good source of energy, the principle has been preserved. However, they have often changed the raw materials used for firing, from wood to coal, diesel, gas and nuclear fission. All of these pollute the environment, but each step was necessary to make the next one possible. Today's modern heating systems are also much cleaner and more efficient than the wood fires of the Stone Age. The next step after nuclear fission would be nuclear fusion, which would be virtually pollution-free and many times more efficient than fission. But the realization of this had to be worked out first and all the previous steps were necessary for this.
Nuclear fusion is the most natural way of converting energy and will certainly be practiced all over the world one day. A single large particle accelerator with a radius of around 200 kilometers could provide the energy for the whole of Europe. But with hardened fronts between thousands of different parties, not even theoretical planning is really possible, let alone construction itself.
The whole world would have to work together for this project, but this is only possible with cooperation, mutual respect and tolerance. Progress only ever comes about through synergies, cooperation and using what you have. Whenever many different people work together towards the same goal, progress is made that moves the world forward. Sometimes it was only to correct the course for the next step. Nietzsche already knew that you never climb the mountains of knowledge in vain.
Homo sapiens need energy to live, to survive. Modern man, however, needs highly structured and organized energy. A smartphone needs a specific amount of energy to function. You could also provide the required amount with the heat of a wood fire, but the smartphone will not work with this form of energy, it would even be destroyed. In order for it to get the right kind of energy and to please us with its functions, people have to work together, each according to their own kind (to put it biblically).
It is and remains counterproductive to take oneself out of the community, to condemn others and to close one's eyes to one's own shared responsibility.
... Cocoa butter and cocoa that my sister brings me from the Andes...
But that's a lovely sister. It is rather unlikely that the good woman will paddle across the Atlantic in a homemade reed boat. She will use an airplane, which on the one hand needs special forms of energy to function and on the other hand depends on the successful cooperation of many different people. If Stormi supports the sisterly mission in the Andes, then he also shares responsibility for all the consequences that arise from it. He is therefore partly responsible for the environmental pollution caused by the plane, partly responsible for the livelihood of the thousands of people who live from air traffic, but he also deserves the general admiration of his noble sister.
If a random grasshopper travels by train, then as a beneficiary he is jointly responsible for the exhaust fumes of other people's cars. This is because the levies for car pollution are used to finance the maintenance and expansion of the railroads and make them possible in the first place (e.g. FABI). Apart from that, it is also partly responsible for the environmentally damaging heavy industry used to manufacture overhead lines, tracks and rail cars.
We are all dependent on global trade, whether we use computers, the internet, wear an organic cotton T-shirt or bite into a banana. This means that we all share the blame for polluting the oceans and the atmosphere. The most sensible way to take responsibility for this guilt is to accept it and try to reduce our environmental impact by living consciously. This will not reduce our guilt, but it will make the world a little better for our children or make it last a little longer.
Agnostics are those who can't make up their minds, which is why there are so many types of them. The epistemic agnostics, the epicurean agnostics, the apatheistic agnostics, the ignostic agnostics, and so on. All either permanent or temporary, theoretical or empirical and all forms more or less theistic or atheistic. They all live in the midst of God's infinite and wonderful creation, but cannot recognize it because they take themselves too seriously. With their indecision, they are almost worse than the fundamentally blind atheists. :-) Agnosticism, however, fits in well with grassroots activists who need the modern world, use it, overestimate their abstruse views, but can't see the wood for the trees. Agnosticism is all about "not recognizing" and "not knowing". These people really don't recognize or know anything when they question the Creator, just because many things have not (yet) been fathomed in detail.
I love all sciences, from ancient philosophy to modern space travel. Science proves the diversity of God's creation and with every new discovery it confirms that the Lord formed us in His image. Only a fool could doubt that.
Shakespeare:
What a masterpiece is man! How noble by reason! How unlimited in faculties! In form and movement how eminent and marvelous! In action as like an angel! In understanding like a god! The ornament of the world! The model of the living!
By the way, just for your knowledge or insight, immaculate conception would no longer be a problem in the age of artificial insemination. Moreover, in certain cultures, the reconstruction of hymens and the artificial hardening of intact genitals is common practice. I personally find it despicable and barbaric to expect girls to undergo a painful and bloody first act of love. Cultures that expect this despise their daughters, sisters, wives and mothers and should be despised. If someone wants to punch me in the nose for this opinion, then they are welcome to try.
As you can read in the first book of Moses: God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
So there is no reason to treat males and females differently or to favor or oppress one of them socially. God is both male and female, he is in each of us.
Greetings from the yellow Migi piglet
which is partly to blame for the hole in the ozone layer because it farts more when it wants extra onions on its kebab.
Guest
First of all: thank you for the article, 99% agreement. There's just one thing that bothers me, because I happen to have some experience in this area:
> Nuclear fusion is the most natural way of converting energy and will one day
> definitely be practiced all over the world. With a single large
> particle accelerator with a radius of around 200 kilometers could provide the energy for the whole of
> Europe could be provided.
You've got something mixed up. You can't do fusion with a particle accelerator, whether a linear accelerator, a pure synchrotron or a collider. What you want is a vessel in which a plasma can be magnetically confined and a way of heating it to generate the temperatures required for fusion (the particles in the plasma need enough kinetic energy to overcome the Coulomb barrier, i.e. the electromagnetic repulsion of like charges). Magnetic confinement is currently still the biggest problem, because it is anything but easy to design (and then generate in practice) a magnetic field in which a plasma with a temperature of many millions of Kelvin can be kept stable.
Admittedly, both particle accelerators and today's fusion reactor concepts look quite similar - approximately ring-shaped.
Guest
The discussion about stuffed goose liver at Migros is already old, see e.g. entry from 08.04.2014
The questionable argument is that the head office in Zurich cannot impose regulations on the cooperatives in western Switzerland. If this is not possible, then Migros should also be consistent and stop riding the "ethical animal welfare wave"!
By the way: not only Globus, but also the Migros cooperatives in western Switzerland have stuffed goose liver in their range.
Guest
MIGROS will soon be deciding whether its cooperatives in Valais, Geneva, Neuchâtel-Fribourg, Vaud and Ticino should also stop offering foie gras, which is cruel to animals. http://www.essenmitherz.ch/themen/foiegras/index.html
Guest
And if people (especially in the border cantons) drive a few kilometers to the nearest supermarket in France and buy their foie gras there, much cheaper than in Switzerland and without the voluntary animal welfare requirements of Migros, what exactly is gained?
Remember, in France foie gras is considered a national cultural heritage and is therefore exempt from all animal welfare regulations.
Guest
Hello
The protection of animals from exploitation, torture or extinction is a milestone by which evolution and civilization can be measured. Asians who do not care about the extermination of animal species because fins, horns or tusks are considered hocus-pocus and sexual enhancers cannot possibly be evolved or civilized people. The horns of rhinoceroses are cut off with a chainsaw from the captured animal, which then dies in the most agonizing way. People don't even want to eat the animals, they are only interested in the horn.
In central and western Switzerland, domestic cats are still occasionally eaten, which is frowned upon by the majority of the population. People who eat cats in Switzerland today do not do so because they are hungry or out of necessity.
Eating foie gras is comparable to the perversion of eating frogs' legs or lobsters. The latter, for example, are boiled alive. People who advocate this are neither evolved nor civilized. Eating animals is not illegitimate, but civilized, developed and decent people allow their livestock a decent life and a dignified death. After all, animals feed us and sustain our lives, so we owe them respect.
And when people ... go to France ...what exactly is gained?
- What is gained if we give up glyphosate, even though it continues to be used globally?
- What is gained if we avoid substances that are harmful to bees while others do not (yet)?
- What is gained if there are cleaner combustion engines for road vehicles while heavy fuel oil is burned unfiltered at sea?
It is a start!
What was gained when Finland became the first European country to introduce women's suffrage in 1906? This milestone in terms of respect, evolution and civilization was still a long way off for many countries. After almost all European countries had granted women political co-determination by the 1940s at the latest, the Swiss had to fight for over 31 years longer until they achieved it in 1971. In Appenzell, however, it took another 20 years longer; it was not until 1991 that women were granted the right to vote, which is a real shame. This raises the legitimate question of whether the Swiss, especially Appenzellers, are less civilized than other Europeans.
Greetings from the Migi piglet
who also sees positive things about the Röstigraben
Guest
>What is gained if we give up glyphosate, even though it continues to be used globally?
Relatively little. Especially as the toxicity is still unclear, or at least not acute (at most 'possibly carcinogenic') when used properly.
> What is gained if we avoid substances that are harmful to bees while others do not (yet) do so?
It depends on when, where and how extensively they are used. Especially as the main reason for bee mortality is probably the Varroa mite.
> What is gained if there are cleaner combustion engines for road vehicles while heavy fuel oil is burned unfiltered at sea?
That does make a difference. The pollutants from car exhausts are found in the city, where they are directly inhaled by people, while the exhaust fumes from ships are found on the high seas - and unlike glyphosate, the toxicity of CO, NO2 and soot/fine dust is undisputed.
Blind actionism is good for your own conscience at best, but achieves little to nothing and can even be counterproductive. You should first think about where you can really make a difference and then concentrate on that.
But all the organic vegans tend to forget that...
this is simply disgusting...
Why theMigros
In Switzerland, several food companies have stopped selling foie gras products altogether. Migros is by far the largest company selling foie gras. By stopping its sale in German-speaking Switzerland, Migros has tacitly acknowledged the moral problem it causes. However, Migros continues to prioritize its economic interests. Foie gras is still on sale both in its stores in French-speaking Switzerland and on its internet portal LeShop. In addition, this year the Migros Club School is even proposing cooking pumpkins for the preparation of foie gras. Migros is thus clearly positioning itself in favor of promoting a product obtained through animal cruelty.
Source:
http://migras.ch/de/warum-die-migros/
@Faerystorm
Unfortunately, it seems that Coop is not much better than Migros:
Coop, for example, emphasizes that they only sell "unstuffed" duck liver (which, as the consumer magazine saldo uncovered last year, is not true, at least for the Strasbourg-style pâté). However, anyone who believes that this is just - as they say - "normal slaughtered liver" is wrong. The animals are overfed until their livers swell to a size of up to 350 grams. This is by no means normal, as a goose liver normally weighs just 50 grams. Although the distributors euphemistically call their products from this type of fattening "foie fin", this is also clearly a fatty liver - and therefore "foie gras" in the literal sense.
Source:
http://www.tier-im-fokus.ch/nutztierhaltung/foie_gras/
Overfeeding instead of stuffing: no real alternative
Coop, Manor, Jelmoli, Spar, Globus and Denner also sell duck and goose livers as an alternative, which allegedly do not come from stuffed animals. According to Swiss Animal Protection, this means that the producers overfeed the animals until their livers swell. In most cases, the ducks and geese live crammed into a small space during fattening. The more they move around, the slower they gain weight.
Coop claims that it only sells duck liver from non-stuffed animals. One producer is Le Patron, based in Böckten BL. It assures saldo that it uses "only normal foie gras from geese and ducks". Only the Strasbourg-style pâté contains stuffed goose liver. The second producer is Feyel, based in Strasbourg, Alsace. Feyel did not answer any questions from saldo. According to the Swiss general importer Hugo Dubno in Hendschiken AG, the majority of Feyel products come from foie gras production.
Source:
https://www.ktipp.ch/artikel/d/stopfleber-der-import-steigt-die-tiere-leiden-weiter/