You've already done a lot to reduce packaging. For example, I think the Migros shopping bags instead of the many paper bags are great. I'd be interested to know how many paper bags have been saved...
Another thing that bothers me is the plastic tray packaging, e.g. for small lettuces - is that really necessary? There are other materials available today, such as compostable starch, which might offer new possibilities. It's also a shame that organic vegetables in particular are always surrounded by plastic.
There are thin plastic bags for open products. How about reducing this by offering reusable and washable vegetable nets. Then you could buy such nets - similar to the shopping bags!
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The complete avoidance of waste? You are funny. :-) Sure, there's also hemp to smoke, but until the effects have worn off, you shouldn't concern yourself with such issues.
Such impossible demands always come from the radical organic faction at the local flower club. After the complete avoidance of waste comes the demand to get rid of cars and the ban on heating in winter. You have to realize that such arguments are absolutely unworthy of discussion by decision-makers in business and research.
If you want to achieve something, you have to come up with feasible solutions and viable alternatives. Bio-plastics are not a utopia, they are already being produced, but not on a large scale and almost not at all for food packaging. The body of one of Henry Ford's cars was made of hemp molded parts that were light and yet very robust. This alternative material has long been used in various industries, but it could also be used to produce food packaging. Hemp is a fast-growing raw material, CO2-neutral, ecologically valuable with economic profit potential like no other plant. Hemp can even compete with rapeseed in the bio-diesel sector and the fiber is very suitable for robust molded parts of so-called liquid wood, which is made from the waste product lignin. The possibilities seem endless.
However, the plastic-free stores you mentioned do not supply the majority of consumers and unfortunately it is no longer possible to completely do without plastics. Once the chick has hatched, it will never fit back into the shell - you can't turn the wheel back. Plastic-wrapped carrots, apples, grapes, soups, drinks, etc. make the handling of mass-produced daily supplies really efficient. We should therefore switch to organic and compostable plastics. Virtually emission-neutral and pollutant-free packaging is an important aspect of the energy transition. It is worth campaigning for this, so producers should not be put off in advance with impossible demands.
Avoiding waste brings us much more than simply making it biodegradable. Taking the detour via "organic" plastic could be deceptive. Wrong. All of today's food packaging made from fossil-based plastics is disposable packaging that has to be sorted, collected, transported, possibly separated and cleaned after use in order to be recycled. If food, possibly including packaging, could also be composted directly, this closes the circle to the substrate (soil) in the most direct way. This would completely eliminate the need to separate and sort packaging waste, which would save enormous amounts of energy, fuel and resources. Just think of drinks cartons that could be coated with biodegradable bio-plastic and composted directly or processed in a bio-energy plant to generate electricity or heat.
Fast forward to the midsummer of 2036: Migi piglet has grown up against expectations and is now a real Migi pig. It drives comfortably through the hilly midlands in its city electric ethanol hybrid. Past mixed crop fields full of sugar beet, potatoes, industrial hemp and corn. It loudly sips the last drops of the delicious Mirgros chocolate drink from an organic TertaPak through a cellulose straw. After enjoying the refreshing drink, Migi Pig carelessly throws the packet out of the window into the nearby field. Now it pushes a little harder to get one of the rare full-sun parking spaces at Migros. His bright yellow station wagon can recharge its batteries while he shops, thanks to the transparent solar panels integrated into the panoramic roof. Lucky for him, there's still one free. So, let's get on the Segway and roll up to the entrance. Phew, what a stress, Migi pig mustn't forget to buy a new chocolate drink. But first he rolls through the patisserie and hopes that Ivan92 hasn't already bought all the cream slices.
@deactivated user It's clear that we need to avoid waste wherever possible. Even with organic plastic we still have a waste problem. It degrades but extremely slowly. A bird can choke on a piece of plastic! My ex-partner was French, so I lived and consumed a lot in France for a few years. For a few years now, you can find quite a lot of drinks and other things in corn plastic bottles there. But don't we then again have the problem that we are taking food away from the people in the countries where the corn is grown? Of course there are things made of plastic and packaging, e.g. in medicine, which will probably still have to be in the future and it makes sense, no, it's a must, to switch to organic plastic. But you should do without where you can and where it really isn't necessary and is just a matter of getting used to it. And: If you have such an attitude, that doesn't mean you're a stoner or have a clouded mind. Thanks anyway for your very interesting and committed contributions.
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With the Plantbottle, CocaCola has achieved exactly what was planned, namely to invalidate the advantages of bio-plastic because the "plant bottle" decomposes just as badly as a PET bottle made from petroleum. This knowledge was already available before production and advertising began. This enabled Coca-Cola to portray itself as a clean company so that it could once again use cheap fossil plastic in peace. For such a giant corporation, it is no problem to stir up doubts about the new, uncomfortable and more expensive product; a project like this is paid for out of petty cash.
If you don't want to achieve anything, you deliberately back the wrong horse and can then boast that you tried. The radical Greens do exactly the same thing from the other side, always making impossible demands and blaming everyone else. However, the plant bottle does not have to be the only or even the first target for bioplastics; after all, many things are packaged in thin films. These then also take less time to decompose, especially if professional composting plants are used for recycling. Of course, decomposition would not happen overnight and of course you would also need space for it. But Rome wasn't built in a day and Cologne Cathedral took over 630 years to build. Are there no more visionaries today and should the realization of new paths no longer take longer than one legislative period? In the past, it was still possible to think outside the box, but today people seem to be less and less on a par with their ancestors.
The question is not if but when we will switch to compostable plastics, because this fossil raw material will not last forever. You can certainly do without plastic when shopping, but unfortunately very few consumers do. Just look at the people in the stores, even a single apple or open salad is put into a bag. Most people do this automatically, unconsciously or because they think it is more hygienic. You can't change people's minds, they are used to the ubiquitous plastic and if you asked them, they wouldn't have time for it.
That is why it makes more sense to introduce compostable films and label them as compostable so that they are not confused with fossil films. Such a project can only be undertaken by a large and important company that has the necessary resources and can also market the solutions. Globally, Migros is just a small player, but nationally it is a big player that likes to be environmentally friendly. Migros, which can afford to invest a billion (1,000 million) in leisure, education and culture as part of Generation M, would also have the means to promote compostable films. As I wrote earlier, the changeover is associated with costs, but there is also a huge increase in turnover, which can make up for the investment.
Imagine the possible visual advertising if the packaging is actually the same as the fruit or vegetable contents or if strawberries grow in a field where packaging was used.
"Good news for environmentally conscious consumers: Migros now offers an alternative to disposable plastic bags.The catch: you can only buy them in the Zurich region and in Rapperswil-Jona. But that's only half as bad for really environmentally conscious consumers ." http://www.fm1today.ch/fuer-oekosaeckli-nach-zuerich/243675
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How heavy is a veggie bag like this? Most fruit and vegetable scales are tared to 0.000 kg, but they should be tared to -0.001 kg because otherwise the thin plastic bag is sold at the kilo price of the goods, which is not permitted. You could say that's not so bad, but here too it's the quantity that counts. When selling meat and cheese openly, the packaging film may not be charged either. The veggie bag certainly weighs more than the thin plastic bag, so the scales in the fruit and vegetable department should be tareable for veggie bag users. Are they?
I don't see why customers should be asked to pay for the bags again, while Migros is celebrating and making a fortune out of it.
Thanks for the info ivan92. Finally something more positive to read about Migros. And exactly, for those who are really committed to environmental protection, this is hardly an issue, because they take their reusable nets and cloth bags with them.
