UPDATE 18 June 2020: @Nina_Migros Unfortunately, the reports on TV and in the other media did not clearly communicate that it is still possible to dispose of plastic bottles separately in the existing slots in the Migros recycling wall free of charge! This leaves only the issue of ecological balance to be discussed. Greenpeace considers Migros recycling an "illusion" https://www.nau.ch/news/wirtschaft/greenpeace-halt-migros-recycling-fur-illusion-65725736
What I also find disappointing is that right at the start of the collection campaign, as a kind of kick-start to the new business, clunky collection containers made of this very plastic are sold (except for the trio from Poland, actually made in Switzerland), preferably tens or hundreds of thousands of them, which you wouldn't even need without the taxed collection bags. You can also simply collect plastic in an old cardboard box or carrier bag... And after a few weeks, a few months at the latest, the hinge breaks and the collection container can be scrapped and a new one bought.↵↵I've just remembered how Migros rushed forward to be among the first to scrap the old vegetable containers in order to switch to a new color.↵↵For me, it's all a somewhat questionable cycle 🤔.
So now it's been postponed, it was on the news yesterday. https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/darum-musste-die-migros-zurueckkrebsen-694832840551 Didn't know until now that mixed plastic is transported to Germany because there's no sorting plant in Switzerland, but Migros wants to build one there. At least :) Migros has been messing around a lot lately and not getting its core issues right (customer service / deliveries) what's going on?
Oh, since when do they sort and then really recycle? Often enough, everything is simply incinerated. And why is this already possible in eastern Switzerland but not in the rest of the country?
Oh, since when do they sort and then really recycle? Often enough, everything is simply incinerated. And why is this already possible in eastern Switzerland but not in the rest of the country?
I wonder what's going on with Migros? Migros is now only producing hair-raising campaigns without a foothold? After Migros stamped out 60,000 paper bags for fear of a shitstorm. Quote according to Art. 25 URG, source: https://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/sexistische-motive-migros-stampft-120000-papiersaecke-ein-aus-angst-vor-shitstorm-id15939502.html Now the debacle with the plastic collection. By the way, Migros could at least have given away its paper bags instead of stamping them out? You don't have to show these "delicate" paper bags to everyone. Paper bags can also be useful for private use at home. Now to the plastic collection. I doubt that Migros is only concerned with environmental protection. Especially as it has been proven that the environment does not benefit greatly from the collection. Migros has the following problems. This is due to the fact that some customers are unfortunately very undisciplined. 1. there are already collection points for pet, plastic bottles, batteries and CDs/discs and light bulbs in Migros stores. 2. unfortunately, customers are already throwing their Tetrapaks/drink cartons or some dirty meat plastic film or trays into the holes or collection bins for plastic. Some customers leave mountains of aluminum cans or glass bottles in Migros. 3. Migros now thinks that the voluntary collection of plastic meat packaging or plastic bags etc. for a fee would solve the problem? This is not the case! Solution A: As bad as it may sound to everyone, there would have to be a deposit on everything. A deposit on pet, aluminum cans, tin cans, glass bottles, Tetrapak/beverage cartons, plastic bottles, etc.. This would force customers financially to collect everything and return it correctly. Solution B: Migros makes free collection containers for everything! Cardboard, plastic packaging, glass, aluminum cans, Tetrapak/beverage cartons, plastic bottles, tin cans, the whole nine yards. If we assume that Migros can earn money with solution B, i.e. the collection of recyclable materials, then this solution is probably the best. Because solution A generates a lot of work. Price calculation, deposit surcharges, conversion of checkout systems, etc. Well, Migros is trapped, it wanted to be "green" with the collection bag, but it failed. Here is something for Migros managers to read up on: What role do municipalities play in the issue of plastics from households? What is the basis for their actions? Both the guidelines and the recommendations advocate selective separate collection, i.e. only recyclable materials should be collected separately (at least 70% material yield). As this is municipal waste, the responsibility lies with the cantons or the municipalities / special-purpose associations. There are already established separate collections for easily recyclable plastics from households such as PET drinks bottles and plastic bottles. A large proportion of the remaining plastics from households are currently either not recyclable, which is shown by low, real quotas abroad, or there is no secondary market for recyclates (China import ban). Recommendations for municipalities The population should be given a fact-based explanation as to why mixed collection is not used. For example, because: high costs and little benefit (KuRVe conclusion). the OKI / FOEN / Cercle Déchets position of 14.11.2017 is sceptical, as the proportion of recyclable materials is low. selective separate collection remains valid as a principle of Swiss waste policy and is also widely supported. the challenges and figures from abroad speak a clear language: Mixed, poor quality does not find a meaningful market today. recyclability should be increased first, which is very difficult from today's perspective due to the packaging functionalities, especially in the food sector (additives, composites). The EU target in this regard is 2030. Only when recyclability is achieved should separate collection be considered (in the right order) In addition to PET beverage bottles, recommend the existing separate collections for plastic bottles and some beverage cartons (e.g. Aldi) in the retail trade. If a supervised collection point is available, check whether plastic bottles - supplemented with beverage cartons - should be collected separately. Check existing offers (e.g. references such as AVAG's experience in Thun). Developments regarding recyclability and secondary markets for plastics will be reviewed again in three to five years and the recommendations adapted depending on the situation. And finally, but no less importantly, insist that the word "recycling" is used correctly. The public rightly expects that the separate collection of recyclable materials will result in secondary material, which in turn will be used in products of the highest possible quality. Separate collection does not yet mean recycling. Recommendation no. 10 states that different regional solutions should be possible. In our view, this is the case if no collection is offered in the municipality's retail trade and the waste incineration plant in question has a low level of efficiency. This is because if the MSWI plant has a high level of efficiency, the mixed plastics collection may even have a negative environmental impact. Quote in accordance with Art. 25 CopA, source: http://www.swissrecycling.ch/wertstoffe/kunststoff/gemeinden/
I wonder what's going on with Migros? Migros is now only producing hair-raising campaigns without a foothold? After Migros stamped out 60,000 paper bags for fear of a shitstorm. Quote according to Art. 25 URG, source: https://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/sexistische-motive-migros-stampft-120000-papiersaecke-ein-aus-angst-vor-shitstorm-id15939502.html Now the debacle with the plastic collection. By the way, Migros could at least have given away its paper bags instead of stamping them out? You don't have to show these "delicate" paper bags to everyone. Paper bags can also be useful for private use at home. Now to the plastic collection. I doubt that Migros is only concerned with environmental protection. Especially as it has been proven that the environment does not benefit greatly from the collection. Migros has the following problems. This is due to the fact that some customers are unfortunately very undisciplined. 1. there are already collection points for pet, plastic bottles, batteries and CDs/discs and light bulbs in Migros stores. 2. unfortunately, customers are already throwing their Tetrapaks/drink cartons or some dirty meat plastic film or trays into the holes or collection bins for plastic. Some customers leave mountains of aluminum cans or glass bottles in Migros. 3. Migros now thinks that the voluntary collection of plastic meat packaging or plastic bags etc. for a fee would solve the problem? This is not the case! Solution A: As bad as it may sound to everyone, there would have to be a deposit on everything. A deposit on pet, aluminum cans, tin cans, glass bottles, Tetrapak/beverage cartons, plastic bottles, etc.. This would force customers financially to collect everything and return it correctly. Solution B: Migros makes free collection containers for everything! Cardboard, plastic packaging, glass, aluminum cans, Tetrapak/beverage cartons, plastic bottles, tin cans, the whole nine yards. If we assume that Migros can earn money with solution B, i.e. the collection of recyclable materials, then this solution is probably the best. Because solution A generates a lot of work. Price calculation, deposit surcharges, conversion of checkout systems, etc. Well, Migros is trapped, it wanted to be "green" with the collection bag, but it failed. Here is something for Migros managers to read up on: What role do municipalities play in the issue of plastics from households? What is the basis for their actions? Both the guidelines and the recommendations advocate selective separate collection, i.e. only recyclable materials should be collected separately (at least 70% material yield). As this is municipal waste, the responsibility lies with the cantons or the municipalities / special-purpose associations. There are already established separate collections for easily recyclable plastics from households such as PET drinks bottles and plastic bottles. A large proportion of the remaining plastics from households are currently either not recyclable, which is shown by low, real quotas abroad, or there is no secondary market for recyclates (China import ban). Recommendations for municipalities The population should be given a fact-based explanation as to why mixed collection is not used. For example, because: high costs and little benefit (KuRVe conclusion). the OKI / FOEN / Cercle Déchets position of 14.11.2017 is sceptical, as the proportion of recyclable materials is low. selective separate collection remains valid as a principle of Swiss waste policy and is also widely supported. the challenges and figures from abroad speak a clear language: Mixed, poor quality does not find a meaningful market today. recyclability should be increased first, which is very difficult from today's perspective due to the packaging functionalities, especially in the food sector (additives, composites). The EU target in this regard is 2030. Only when recyclability is achieved should separate collection be considered (in the right order) In addition to PET beverage bottles, recommend the existing separate collections for plastic bottles and some beverage cartons (e.g. Aldi) in the retail trade. If a supervised collection point is available, check whether plastic bottles - supplemented with beverage cartons - should be collected separately. Check existing offers (e.g. references such as AVAG's experience in Thun). Developments regarding recyclability and secondary markets for plastics will be reviewed again in three to five years and the recommendations adapted depending on the situation. And finally, but no less importantly, insist that the word "recycling" is used correctly. The public rightly expects that the separate collection of recyclable materials will result in secondary material, which in turn will be used in products of the highest possible quality. Separate collection does not yet mean recycling. Recommendation no. 10 states that different regional solutions should be possible. In our view, this is the case if no collection is offered in the municipality's retail trade and the waste incineration plant in question has a low level of efficiency. This is because if the MSWI plant has a high level of efficiency, the mixed plastics collection may even have a negative environmental impact. Quote in accordance with Art. 25 CopA, source: http://www.swissrecycling.ch/wertstoffe/kunststoff/gemeinden/
Uff, you've really written a lot.↵↵I think that's also very important... ↵quote:↵"And finally, but no less importantly, insist that the word "recycling" is used correctly. The public rightly expects that the separate collection of recyclable materials will result in secondary material, which in turn will be used in products of the highest possible quality. Separately collected does not yet mean recycled."↵↵That's why I keep saying glass reusable and good. ↵And all the same then it's exchangeable. So water 1 - 2 models, beer were almost all the same back then. I don't know anyone who thought that was bad. ↵Yoghurt, quark etc all 1 model possibly a 2nd ↵Then there are the same quantities again. Instead of 200g, 180g is annoying and then you only find out when you get home... 😬 And then there's not enough for the recipe or there's something left over... 😡
So now it's been postponed, it was on the news yesterday. https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/darum-musste-die-migros-zurueckkrebsen-694832840551 Didn't know until now that mixed plastic is transported to Germany because there's no sorting plant in Switzerland, but Migros wants to build one there. At least :) Migros has been messing around a lot lately and not getting its core issues right (customer service / deliveries) what's going on?
Hmhm, I'm just wondering if it's not just German garbage that's everywhere abroad, or even garbage from Switzerland. The Germans are masters of garbage scandals. And burning our garbage abroad isn't great either. (a lot is burned despite recycling)
The problem is not only recycling, but also simply reusing it :↵↵A few weeks ago, I paid at the checkout with a gift card/cash card that was completely emptied in the process (whereupon I paid the remaining amount with a second card). When I asked for my empty card back, the employee had already disposed of it and said without understanding that it was empty. I insisted on getting it back for recharging because it was from a model (Lucerne Bridge) that can no longer be ordered because it had already been sorted out. I actually got the card back, but would it be so difficult to instruct staff to ask customers if they want their cards back for recharging? ↵↵Or: At the end of May, we were promised reusable fabric masks from mid-June: https://www.migros.ch/de/Magazin/2020/maskenbeschaffung.html , point 9: "Migros will also be launching reusable textile masks in mid-June. These are made from special three-layer fabric and meet the requirements of the Covid-19 Science Task Force..." Where have they gone? Masks will be compulsory on public transport from Monday, and these fabric masks would certainly find buyers 🤔.
The problem is not only recycling, but also simply reusing it :↵↵A few weeks ago, I paid at the checkout with a gift card/cash card that was completely emptied in the process (whereupon I paid the remaining amount with a second card). When I asked for my empty card back, the employee had already disposed of it and said without understanding that it was empty. I insisted on getting it back for recharging because it was from a model (Lucerne Bridge) that can no longer be ordered because it had already been sorted out. I actually got the card back, but would it be so difficult to instruct staff to ask customers if they want their cards back for recharging? ↵↵Or: At the end of May, we were promised reusable fabric masks from mid-June: https://www.migros.ch/de/Magazin/2020/maskenbeschaffung.html , point 9: "Migros will also be launching reusable textile masks in mid-June. These are made from special three-layer fabric and meet the requirements of the Covid-19 Science Task Force..." Where have they gone? Masks will be compulsory on public transport from Monday, and these fabric masks would certainly find buyers 🤔.
Hi @Cinderella1925 They have been on sale with us since 09.06. Which cooperative do you usually shop at? I can then tell you in which stores near you the masks are available. Best regards Sebastian
