Hello I bought the Café Royal Ristretto and Espresso forte today. As it says on the packaging, the capsules should be "compatible with the Nespresso system. I immediately wanted to try it out at home with my Tumix C 420 automatic Nespresso piston machine....... ;(.... As soon as I attach the plunger.... it blocks...but I still try to brew a coffee... the coffee set...the water has flowed out everywhere.... Unfortunately not possible with my machine....Do you have an explanation? Thank you very much Ardevaz
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Hello I bought the Café Royal Ristretto and Espresso forte today. As it says on the packaging, the capsules should be "compatible with the Nespresso system. I immediately wanted to try it out at home with my Tumix C 420 automatic Nespresso piston machine....... ;(.... As soon as I attach the plunger.... it blocks...but I still try to brew a coffee... the coffee set...the water has flowed out everywhere.... Unfortunately not possible with my machine....Do you have an explanation? Thank you very much Ardevaz
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I find it hard to believe that someone would switch from Nespresso to another provider. The Nespresso system consists of 3 components:
Cardboard aluminum coffee
As soon as Migros launches a product that meets these criteria, I'm prepared to give it a chance...
But I cannot support such a thoughtless waste of plastic. I think it's cheeky that a company is allowed to bring a "worse" product onto the market at a lower price in this day and age... Actually, an early disposal fee of 1CHF should be paid on every capsule.
Plastic capsules - no THANK YOU !!!
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I find it hard to believe that someone would switch from Nespresso to another provider. The Nespresso system consists of 3 components:
Cardboard aluminum coffee
As soon as Migros launches a product that meets these criteria, I'm prepared to give it a chance...
But I cannot support such a thoughtless waste of plastic. I think it's cheeky that a company is allowed to bring a "worse" product onto the market at a lower price in this day and age... Actually, an early disposal fee of 1CHF should be paid on every capsule.
Plastic capsules - no THANK YOU !!!
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@cgar is it more ecological to take a plastic bag full of aluminum capsules to the collection point every month (usually by car), which are then transported by truck to the warehouse and from there again by truck to a recycling point? There's plenty of room for them in the garbage bag, so they go to the incineration plant without much extra effort and, above all, with less transportation. Additional question: how many Nespresso capsules are not disposed of properly but are thrown away with household waste? I think the waste looks like a lot, but it isn't necessarily.
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Of course, but that's not the capsule's fault! Should one stupid thing always follow another stupid thing? Nature knows no waste - only cycles! We simply mustn't think so superficially... Logically, we should be discussing how to get the capsules to the collection point/recycling center without emissions and back to production as a primary raw material. There are already collection points on every corner (where you can also get there on foot...)
I don't like your statement because you are arguing something bad with something even worse. Let's stop making everything worse. Many "ignorant" people say that the plastic bags have a better eco-balance than a paper bag that is recycled... That simply CAN'T be true! Just think about it with logical common sense...
Nowadays, we don't need to have an education - a master's degree in anything - or to have attended a university to realize that something is going very wrong in our system... Our aluminum / plastic question is just a small indication of this... Plastic is first and foremost simply cheaper! When I went to a competitor's stand of another well-known capsule brand to find out more, I got a shocking answer...
No no, you know, the waste incineration centers are actually happy that a little more plastic gets into the household waste, then it burns better (high calorific value) and they don't have to use more oil to burn it... so you're actually doing something good with it...
Don't make me laugh... How sick is our society today? But you can't convince me with arguments like that. Plastic capsules are ALWAYS "worse" than aluminum capsules.
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I can't share their views. They have something fundamentalist about them for me. I would prefer a plastic capsule to one made of aluminum, which is produced with a great deal of energy - the nuclear power plants send their regards. In addition, your view really neglects the energy costs involved in the entire distribution and return of the goods. The Nespresso capsules are mainly sent via the Nespresso Club and also require a lot of resources before they reach the end consumer. I would like to see an energy balance that clearly shows which packaging and distribution system is more ecological and ultimately more environmentally friendly. Perhaps such a study already exists, preferably an independent one not commissioned by Nestle and not by Migros, otherwise it would really have to be commissioned.
Guest
Thank you for your answer, I do understand statements like yours regarding ecological balance etc.. However, you do not address the question of whether it is logical to irretrievably destroy or recycle resources...
I agree with you that today we have processes and procedures that are not or only partially "efficient", so of course it can be said that it takes much more energy to melt aluminum than to burn plastic capsules, transport, distribution etc..... Logically, every study will also prove this...
But my question was... Are we really right with such thoughts?
Why do we always take the greater evil as an argument for the lesser?
Our earth has known the stone age, bronze age, metal, glass... for hundreds of years... The plastic age has only lasted for 70-90 years, yet we stupid stupid stupid stupid humans have already managed to have 6 times more plastic than plankton in the sea... (by the way, contrary to all so-called expert opinions, tons of plastic from Switzerland every year) That alone shows that something is really wrong...
I am of the opinion that plastic is (unfortunately) still irreplaceable in isolated cases... but then we should make sure that it is only used where it is absolutely - absolutely necessary... in 0.1% of cases. For this reason, I am also convinced of the aluminum capsule, as this is currently the best system (if we absolutely need capsules) - this has nothing fundamentalist for me, by the way, but is in my opinion an all too logical attitude in this system, which provides us with products that are largely only developed and marketed to maximize profits.
I find your statement very sympathetic with regard to corporate studies - because I too only trust the studies or statistics that I have falsified myself. Smile.
Joking aside... I also think that Nespresso could do more, but at the moment it is undeniably the best system... for the reasons I've already mentioned: Coffee, aluminum, cardboard. Everything (apart from the colors etc.) are all renewable or highly recyclable components. This should be supported (even if the price is undeniably too high.) But switching to a product that is simply produced in a cheaper rather than better way is out of the question for me. Not to mention the idiocy of wasting a high-quality "everlasting" raw material on ONE-WAY products!
By the way, you have given me the perfect argument. It is absolutely incomprehensible to me - far from any imagination - why highly educated scientists have set a technology in motion with nuclear power plants where, ridiculously, we still don't know what to do with the waste... It's the same with plastic capsules... we don't know what to do with them - burning them is the only thing we can think of.
Really now, if you listen deeply to yourself... do you really LIKE throwing plastic in the bin... I don't. For years I didn't even notice this myself. But when we look in our garbage bins or go to Migros or other large-scale distributors, everyone should realize that we live in a fantasy world... a plastic fantasy world that will eventually be over... or do you disagree with me?
Now, once again the question for your conscience: Which products and solutions that make up our "prosperity" should we promote.
I would be delighted if we could work together for solarar or volcanic minium smelting factories, solar transport drones made of rubber or whatever, which really and sustainably help us move forward and not just try to justify things that are becoming obsolete anyway.
Many greetings and I look forward to your comments.
@cgar is it more ecological to take a plastic bag full of aluminum capsules to the collection point every month (usually by car), which are then transported by truck to the warehouse and from there again by truck to a recycling point? There's plenty of room for them in the garbage bag, so they go to the incineration plant without much extra effort and, above all, with less transportation. Additional question: how many Nespresso capsules are not disposed of properly but are thrown away with household waste? I think the waste looks like a lot, but it isn't necessarily.
Guest
Of course, but that's not the capsule's fault! Should one stupid thing always follow another stupid thing? Nature knows no waste - only cycles! We simply mustn't think so superficially... Logically, we should be discussing how to get the capsules to the collection point/recycling center without emissions and back to production as a primary raw material. There are already collection points on every corner (where you can also get there on foot...)
I don't like your statement because you are arguing something bad with something even worse. Let's stop making everything worse. Many "ignorant" people say that the plastic bags have a better eco-balance than a paper bag that is recycled... That simply CAN'T be true! Just think about it with logical common sense...
Nowadays, we don't need to have an education - a master's degree in anything - or to have attended a university to realize that something is going very wrong in our system... Our aluminum / plastic question is just a small indication of this... Plastic is first and foremost simply cheaper! When I went to a competitor's stand of another well-known capsule brand to find out more, I got a shocking answer...
No no, you know, the waste incineration centers are actually happy that a little more plastic gets into the household waste, then it burns better (high calorific value) and they don't have to use more oil to burn it... so you're actually doing something good with it...
Don't make me laugh... How sick is our society today? But you can't convince me with arguments like that. Plastic capsules are ALWAYS "worse" than aluminum capsules.
Guest
I can't share their views. They have something fundamentalist about them for me. I would prefer a plastic capsule to one made of aluminum, which is produced with a great deal of energy - the nuclear power plants send their regards. In addition, your view really neglects the energy costs involved in the entire distribution and return of the goods. The Nespresso capsules are mainly sent via the Nespresso Club and also require a lot of resources before they reach the end consumer. I would like to see an energy balance that clearly shows which packaging and distribution system is more ecological and ultimately more environmentally friendly. Perhaps such a study already exists, preferably an independent one not commissioned by Nestle and not by Migros, otherwise it would really have to be commissioned.
Guest
Thank you for your answer, I do understand statements like yours regarding ecological balance etc.. However, you do not address the question of whether it is logical to irretrievably destroy or recycle resources...
I agree with you that today we have processes and procedures that are not or only partially "efficient", so of course it can be said that it takes much more energy to melt aluminum than to burn plastic capsules, transport, distribution etc..... Logically, every study will also prove this...
But my question was... Are we really right with such thoughts?
Why do we always take the greater evil as an argument for the lesser?
Our earth has known the stone age, bronze age, metal, glass... for hundreds of years... The plastic age has only lasted for 70-90 years, yet we stupid stupid stupid stupid humans have already managed to have 6 times more plastic than plankton in the sea... (by the way, contrary to all so-called expert opinions, tons of plastic from Switzerland every year) That alone shows that something is really wrong...
I am of the opinion that plastic is (unfortunately) still irreplaceable in isolated cases... but then we should make sure that it is only used where it is absolutely - absolutely necessary... in 0.1% of cases. For this reason, I am also convinced of the aluminum capsule, as this is currently the best system (if we absolutely need capsules) - this has nothing fundamentalist for me, by the way, but is in my opinion an all too logical attitude in this system, which provides us with products that are largely only developed and marketed to maximize profits.
I find your statement very sympathetic with regard to corporate studies - because I too only trust the studies or statistics that I have falsified myself. Smile.
Joking aside... I also think that Nespresso could do more, but at the moment it is undeniably the best system... for the reasons I've already mentioned: Coffee, aluminum, cardboard. Everything (apart from the colors etc.) are all renewable or highly recyclable components. This should be supported (even if the price is undeniably too high.) But switching to a product that is simply produced in a cheaper rather than better way is out of the question for me. Not to mention the idiocy of wasting a high-quality "everlasting" raw material on ONE-WAY products!
By the way, you have given me the perfect argument. It is absolutely incomprehensible to me - far from any imagination - why highly educated scientists have set a technology in motion with nuclear power plants where, ridiculously, we still don't know what to do with the waste... It's the same with plastic capsules... we don't know what to do with them - burning them is the only thing we can think of.
Really now, if you listen deeply to yourself... do you really LIKE throwing plastic in the bin... I don't. For years I didn't even notice this myself. But when we look in our garbage bins or go to Migros or other large-scale distributors, everyone should realize that we live in a fantasy world... a plastic fantasy world that will eventually be over... or do you disagree with me?
Now, once again the question for your conscience: Which products and solutions that make up our "prosperity" should we promote.
I would be delighted if we could work together for solarar or volcanic minium smelting factories, solar transport drones made of rubber or whatever, which really and sustainably help us move forward and not just try to justify things that are becoming obsolete anyway.
Many greetings and I look forward to your comments.
