Dear brainstuff



Thank you for your message. It's a shame that this flyer and our intention to help have upset you so much.



From our experience in recent years, we know that the design of the flyer, which refers to our annual fundraising campaign, has never caused any irritation, and the layout is very different from that of the Cumulus vouchers and discount coupons. The reference to "Donate" is also deliberately placed very prominently in the key visual as well as in the running text.



All organizations, including Pro Juventute, are regularly audited by external bodies. All of them have the ZEWO Foundation seal of approval, the Swiss specialist agency for charitable organizations that collect donations. ZEWO regularly checks whether its member organizations use donations in the interests of the donors.



Best regards
Tanja

Dear Tanja,

You don't need a "voucher" with an EAN code to "donate" ... for a "BON" (=voucher) you get something ... you pay nothing for it.

The flyer I objected to says:

"And you can donate as easily as this: Redeem one, or more, of the vouchers below worth Fr 5, Fr 10 or Fr 15 at your local Migros, at ....."

If I "redeem" something ... then I don't have to pay anything!

I don't want people to be cheated with dirty "marketing methods". When I donate something, I don't redeem a voucher. When I BUY a smartphone for one franc, I'm not declaring my "subscription contract" to be valid with a "nominal fee" of 1 franc.

I also find it embarrassing and reprehensible when an organization like Migros tries to advertise with "charity campaigns". The strange idea that all Migros customers consider "donations" to Pro Juventute and the other organizations to be good ... is completely confused. Migros has no business dictating to anyone who they donate to. (I am also against any kind of sponsorship ... MIGROS is a major distributor and has to concentrate on its business ... if a few customers get excited about cycling races ... this should not lead to other customers having to pay for the hobbyhorse of others.

What you say about the "certification" from Pro Juventute ... is worthless: such "certifications" are never really neutral. Pro Juventute has abused thousands of children ... (Ms. Sommarouga is constantly apologizing for this) ... I have yet to see Pro Juventute regret its actions even once ...

brainstuff

Is it possible without nagging? If you don't want to donate, then don't! Your funny comments everywhere. Can't you express your opinion without always badmouthing everything?

One of the best feelings for me is being able to help someone. Thank you Migros for this opportunity@Tanja_Migros

Many warm greetings
(you need brainstuff!)
aare

@aare if you can't read ... then I feel sorry for you ... it's not about whether someone wants to donate or not, it's about the fact that I and many other people dislike "forced donations".

I am a completely free person ... and nobody dictates to me whether and to whom I donate something.

When I buy a loaf of bread at Migros, I "donate" the purchase price to Migros and its staff. It's bad enough that some of the money I bring into Migros inevitably goes towards products and services that I don't support. But if these are "ingredients" of products, it's "systemic".

However, donations to any organization are not "ingredients" of a product ... in a loaf of bread, you need flour, water and a few other ingredients ... the "holy spirit" or some supposedly charitable organization is not an ingredient.

When I buy a loaf of bread at Migros ... I am NOT FORCEFULLY supporting Pro Juventute, the SVP, or any other organization that pretends to be "charity" or "benevolence", or that people like you "choose" for me.

What you are trying to impose on me is simply outrageous. It is a "beginning" of what certain organizations (= the IS and a few dirty "states") do to people: they want to force people to do things that they would not do voluntarily.

When Migros "conditions" people to donate to something by force and without deciding for themselves, it ensures that people act without criticism. And we all don't want that.

And another thing: even my mother was very strictly against exploiting children for fundraising campaigns ... neither by training them to collect, nor by exploiting them to increase the willingness of "donors" to donate.

It is downright perverse when some "charity organizations" produce television commercials where children are used to arouse compassion ... and where it is even the case that a decent "fee" for the appearance in the television commercial would pay for the food of the supposedly needy child for five years.

And Migros is not allowed to do any "marketing" by pretending to be "charitable".

brainstuff


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Hello@deactivated user



You are welcome to have your own opinion, that's not a problem. But I cannot accept that you insult other users. I would like to point out to you for the last time that we respect each other on Migipedia. If you do not wish to abide by this, I will have to delete the comments that violate this policy. We can also ban users from Migipedia. It's not nice that I have to write these words. But it can't go on like this. Please adapt to the Migipedia rules and then we will continue to look forward to your comments. Even if they are critical.



Thank you very much

Silvia_Migros

@deactivated user
I don't see your problem!
When I took my Cumulus items out of the envelope, I immediately noticed these donation coupons! There is absolutely no danger of confusion with the Cumulus vouchers. When you read the flyer, you know what it's all about.
Even my mother, who will soon be 70 years old, immediately recognized at first glance that these coupons are about something other than the Cumulus vouchers.
There is no question of a forced donation, nobody is forced to hand in one of these coupons at the till to be redeemed.
It's just easier to grumble about everything than to look at things properly!
And yes, Pro Juventute has "messed up" in the past, history must not be forgotten (if you want to understand the present, you have to deal with the past), but at that time, before the great war (1914-1918) and the Second World War, but also afterwards, those actions were considered absolutely fine and progressive. Of course, it does not justify the actions of that time at all! But the whole thing has been and is being dealt with!
The fact that you compare a well-intentioned fundraising campaign with Nazi ideology, the IS etc. shows that you, unfortunately, don't know very much about history?
And your choice of words unfortunately confirms that the same applies to decency?
We probably won't be redeeming any of these coupons (we don't know yet), but that doesn't mean we're making the whole thing look bad! And there are certainly a lot of people who support and use this simple, relatively anonymous way of donating?

@Silvia Now please tell me what is "offensive" about my comment ... If someone feels "offended" ... then that falls under "dog barked at dog".

I'm just telling the truth: we live in a free society and nobody has the right to force other people to donate. We also have to protect needy people, especially children, from being hired to beg. And we ... especially MIGROS, must be extremely careful with "marketing campaigns": taking advantage of emergency situations in which we have put children in order to promote sales, is a grandiose mess.

If you would like me to address Mr. H. Bolliger on this subject ... then keep threatening me. The whole issue is one that is difficult to resolve at your level anyway.

The "receipts" I have for donations are so clumsy and disgusting that Mr. Bolliger will have to look at them anyway to prevent Migros from massively violating its own etiquette principles in the future.

I can't tell you how outrageous I find these "vouchers". It is hoped that senile and naive contemporaries will "redeem" the vouchers and then not realize that the voucher is not a "voucher" at all, but a payment. A company like MIGROS, which is considered "decent", does not attempt such stupid scams. Even if MIGROS were a completely filthy "discounter" where such "maketing tricks" are used, I would classify this "receipt" action as extremely reprehensible.

It's a disgrace that Migros also employs a few people who invent dirty promotions where the "free menhir" (= the "voucher -- we give you a voucher that saves you having to say who you want to donate 20 francs to") costs money.

You are employed by a company that values ethics, decency and personal responsibility like almost no other company in the world ... and you are threatening me here with "exclusion"? At the moment YOU are insulting me .... If you have really misunderstood something ... then you should exercise your mind. I have not insulted anyone here, even in the slightest ... Unfortunately, it is a reality that the objectionable "vouchers", simply because they are called "vouchers", are a very indecent attempt to cheat people. A "voucher" is always a "voucher" ... something for which the "beneficiary" receives something ... and that is only in the minds of completely confused people, a donation that the beneficiary has to make! This unspeakably dirty flyer is deliberately written in such a way that naive people think the wrong thing. It contains a number of phrases that fraudulent marketing coaches are pushing on their followers ... it's brimming with "charity", needy children and embarrassingly avoids mentioning that the "beneficiary" gets nothing but has to pay.

"Redeem the vouchers below to the value of ... (in French "utilisez un ou plusieurs des bons ci-dessous d'une valeur de...") ... are very dirty marketing phrases. You deliberately avoid saying anything about people having to pay anything ... that's an extremely dirty method. It's the same dirty method that is used in the cell phone sector to sell people a "free phone", where all they need is a little "signature" in which the dear winner confirms that he wants to accept his prize and that he wants to seal the whole thing with a "free subscription contract" ... for which he will then be debited 30 francs free of charge and this, free of charge, for 48 months ... after which the great offer will be extended for FREE .... I know all these dirty tricks ... and as a lawyer I also know that you can talk away the attempt at fraud by saying that such a receipt also triggers a donation from Migros (and that the receipt therefore has a "value"). Nevertheless, the whole thing is ethically and morally unacceptable ... especially not for MIGROS.

It's also about fundamental values ... When I look around me, more and more companies are trying to trick people with stupid marketing tricks. MIGROS in particular must fight this trend and focus on total decency.

brainstuff

@deactivated user
you were neither insulted nor threatened!
Silvia only mentioned that there is the possibility to exclude users who do not play by the rules!
The fact that you are advising Silvia to exercise her common sense shows that you have no decency!
You are indirectly insinuating that she is moronic! And this is clearly an insult!
Furthermore, this would be an insult to those people who are really mentally handicapped and is therefore absolutely unacceptable to me!!!!!!?
If the Migipedia team wanted to exclude you, they would have my full understanding and support!

Hello Silvia_Migros
It would serve many users if the blasphemer "brainstuff" were finally excluded from Migipedia. These eternal unqualified comments are simply not necessary and not welcome.
This scribbler disregards all rules of decency just to make his "comments".

@Imperator

"If you read the flyer, you know what it's about" ... yes, it says something about "redeeming" the voucher ... and the sloppy "copywriter" has embarrassingly avoided mentioning throughout the text that no "vouchers" are redeemed.

People I know personally (Readers Digest, Bertelsmann Verlag and, for example, Godefrey) have introduced this dirty paraphrase of the word BEZAHLEN and made millions of people think that fraud and scams are "normal".

If Migros wrote to me: "We would be delighted if you would donate x francs to organization xy and we will then double your donation" then that would be borderline. In the same way, Migros could write to me saying that I should please join sect yz and they will then pay for a few candles.
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You say: "Even my almost 70-year-old mother recognized immediately, at first glance, that these coupons are about something other than the Coumulus vouchers" ... I have the impression that you've had it drummed into you somewhere that older people, somehow, have a few screws loose! At 70, people today are still pretty "sprightly", so how could you possibly come up with the strange idea that the fact that your mother is obviously not yet "gagaga" is something special and unexpected? I don't think it's right at all that you're implying that old people are naive and awkward.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of clumsy people ... not just old people ... who have not learned, like your mother, that irresponsible people in our world try to take advantage of the inexperience of their fellow human beings.

If such an inexperienced, naive contemporary goes to the checkout with such a "BON" (... that's a "voucher"!) and is then deducted money, then this is a forced donation ... because the fool assumes that he is redeeming a voucher and will therefore get something back.

And the fact that you consider the actions of Pro Juventute to be "absolutely fine and progressive" and that you seem to be happy that Ms Sommarouga is now apologizing for the stories from 50 years ago (in order to make herself "big") is not necessarily very decent either: if you acknowledge such messes as mistakes after the fact ... then you are simultaneously ensuring that such and similar messes do not happen again. And there are currently a number of stories in Switzerland that go in exactly the same direction as the abuse of children by Pro Juventute. Ms. Sommarouga is doing what other politicians like to do and have done: she is using old stories to distract attention from current abuses! We must not only "apologize" for the past, but above all ensure that everything is clean NOW!

It is part of all "ideologies" that attempts are made to "condition" people ... the best way to do this is by pretending to be "charitable" ... Religions work with it, the NAZI's worked with it and also the IS uses "charity" to recruit followers. ALL of these organizations base their brainwashing and follower "accise" on "charity".

The fact that your mother immediately "realized" that the Migros "vouchers" are there to get people to pay ... basically doesn't show that your mother is particularly clever ... but that she has learned in her life how to be conned. I find it unbelievable that Migros in particular ensures that people also assume that Migros advertising is based on dishonesty.

I expect clean methods and procedures from Migros in particular. Even Gottlieb Duttweiler attached great importance to decency and clean conditions. He certainly didn't want his organization to rely on people's naivety and lack of openness and hide it under a cloak of "charity".

There is an urgent need for those responsible at Migros to remember that the Migros business model is based on decency and common sense. Stupid marketing tricks are simply not part of Migros. At the moment, this applies not only to clumsy fundraising campaigns, but also to the tons of plastic waste produced by campaigns such as Swiss Mania and the monstrosity of ruining people's time with completely stupid competitions.

brainstuff