M-Budget Mineral mit Co2

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You'll have to get used to the new lids, which will be mandatory on all PET bottles across Europe from mid-2024 to prevent environmental pollution from loose lids.

@Rhyfallforelle - If that's true, then hopefully I'll soon find some kind of cigar cutter in some Chinese store for this rarely stupid fastening method. Do I really have to let the EU tell me now how I want my lid on the PET bottle? 🤦‍♂️🤪

Hello KariScheibler, thank you for your inquiry. The new lids are a test on our part, but we have not made any changes to the thickness of the bottle.

As part of its circular economy package, the EU has also adopted a plastics strategy which, among other things, regulates single-use plastics. In addition to the ban on single-use plastic items, such as plastic drinking straws and plastic stirrers, drinks containers are also being targeted. The new EU regulation stipulates that the caps must remain attached to the bottles even when they are open. The ongoing changeover has already begun and affects all disposable liquid containers with a capacity of up to 3 liters. Best regards, your M-Infoline team

@M-Infoline - I don't really care about the EU "circular economy package". I've always returned the caps screwed on to the empty PET bottle. Without exception. But with this new attachment, the lid is constantly in the way, you spill the contents and the attachment gets in the way when drinking directly from the bottle. When will there be "workarounds" for this?

Hello KariScheibler, as you have already been informed, this is a test for the time being. We are always working on optimizing our products. Unfortunately, we cannot change the upcoming requirements, so there will be no workarounds. Best regards, your M-Infoline team

Test? Optimize products? Can't we change anything? Too bad. Then just like this: https://www.galaxus.ch/de/s4/product/sparkfun-seitenschneider-seitenschneider-5999334

The requirements are from the EU, what should Migros be able to change now? 🤔 We may not be in the EU, but we still have to accept these nonsensical requirements.

@Magnoliapower - Exactly: 1. we are not in the EU, 2. Migros does not produce for the EU, 3. you can also offer workaround solutions (if you respond to customer wishes) if for some unknown reason the caps have to stay on for Switzerland anyway. The whole thing will end up backfiring and being counterproductive anyway. Talk about a "circular economy". In future, many more bottles without lids will be recycled and many more lids will end up either on the street or in the bin. How stupid do politicians think we consumers are?

Many rules have to be adopted by the EU. Switzerland is not an island. We can't just pick the best from the EU but not do business with it...Switzerland lives from the EU...I also think this solution is stupid, but we have to bow to the EU... :(

1. a kitchen knife or a pair of scissors is enough to cut off the cap. 2. lids of all kinds are collected here and gladly accepted for a good cause. https://www.suedostschweiz.ch/sendungen/churerin-sammelt-tonnenweise-plastikdeckel-fuer-den-guten-zweck-09-11-22 https://www.sbv-fsa.ch/sites/default/files/news_sektionen_downloads/230531-Flyer-Blindenfuehrhund-Plastikdeckelsammlung-SBV-BBZZH.pdf Burgi Stäger from Chur has collected a hundred tons of plastic lids. Her cellar is full of twist-off PET caps. Burgi Stäger from Chur collects plastic lids and uses them to fund the training of guide dogs. Burgi Stäger is 73 years old. She likes to collect a lot. But the object of her desire is not a coffee creamer lid or a stamp. Stäger collects plastic lids. Since she started collecting three years ago, she has got hold of around one hundred tons. "Plankis alone gives me about a thousand of these lids every week," enthuses Stäger. She cleans the lids and removes any foreign materials. She is still actively calling on private households and companies to collect such lids for her. But what does a senior citizen from Chur want with over a hundred tons of plastic lids? "I take the lids to a materials collection point. First it was in Eschlikon in Thurgau, now I take them to Top CC in Buchs in the canton of St. Gallen. From there they are brought to Eschlikon free of charge. The lids are weighed in Eschlikon and money is paid accordingly." There is 30 centimes per kilo. However, the money does not end up in Stäger's account, it goes entirely towards training guide dogs. And that is expensive. Six tons of PET twist caps equate to around 60,000 francs. That, in turn, is the cost of such training. But who is prepared to spend that much money on plastic lids? "Every cable through which energy flows needs a sheath. This is made from melted plastic covers," explains Stäger. In other words, every cable manufacturer ends up willingly paying for the supplied lids because the resulting cables are used en masse. Idea comes from the Netherlands Although Stäger is something of a pioneer in this field in the region, the idea itself comes from abroad. Martinus Aarts and his son Robin finally brought the concept, which is already well known in the Netherlands, to Switzerland. The two men from Herisau are collecting just as diligently as Stäger. In their first two months of collecting, they have already collected around 15 kilograms of screw caps. The "Facebook" group https://www.facebook.com/groups/plastikdeckelsammelaktion "Plastic cap collection campaign for young guide dogs for the blind" also clearly shows the extent to which the project has already taken on in Switzerland: The group has around 1800 members. The group has around 1,800 members, where collectors discuss which lids are permitted and where the collected material can be taken. Successes are also actively shared, here by Aarts. Help wanted Anyone can help. "There are various drop-off points in the canton. It's easiest for me if the plastic lids are brought straight to me at Fortunastrasse 7 in Chur," says Stäger. Otherwise, the Landi in Chur or the Coop in Felsberg are also good options. Stäger is happy to provide interested parties with a comprehensive list of drop-off points in the canton. Important for Stäger: "Every twist-off plastic lid is collected!" She is also not mobile. If someone could help her take the lids to the collection point, it would mean a lot to her. Anyone who has now caught the collecting bug is welcome to contact Ms. Stäger via FB. https://www.suedostschweiz.ch/aus-dem-leben/churerin-hat-hundert-tonnen-plastikdeckel-angesammelt

@rollimaus - Thanks for the interesting alternative use. Only the remuneration is not comprehensible. If you get 30 centimes for 1 kg of plastic lid, according to my calculation for 1 ton (1,000 x 30 centimes) = 300 francs. So for 6 tons 6 x 300 francs, that's 1,800 francs. A far cry from your 60,000 francs. Only with 200 tons of PET plastic lids would you get to the 60,000 francs mentioned. So which value is wrong?

KariScheibler, you're welcome and as far as the calculation is concerned, I took it 1 to 1 from the article, so it didn't grow on my mix.

Hello ScaniaR480, we're sorry that the water didn't taste the same as usual. We have not made any changes. Even when the bottle is unopened, some carbon dioxide can always escape. When the bottle is opened, a large amount of it escapes so that the stored bottle can hardly have any carbon dioxide left. This is particularly the case if the bottle has been stored somewhere too warm. Unfortunately, we can no longer reproduce this afterwards. You are welcome to contact your store's customer service department and you will then receive a replacement. Best regards, your M-Infoline team

Dear guest
Thank you for your feedback.
We can assure you that we have not made any new changes to the bottle.
For environmental and cost reasons, the weight of our M-Budget bottles was once made lighter. This has remained unchanged since then.
Best regards from the M-Infoline team

Hello toscab
Thank you very much for your feedback. We apologize for taking so long to reply.
We are aware that other mineral waters may contain more minerals. The mineral content depends on the source and cannot be influenced. We have selected the source of M-Budget to meet as many of our customers' needs as possible.
We wish you a wonderful day and send you our best wishes from the M-Infoline team

Hello guest
Thank you for your suggestion!
Thanks to critical and constructive feedback from our customers, we are able to continuously improve our services.
We can't promise you that we will be able to implement your idea. And yet: we value good ideas.
We wish you a great day.
Best regards from the M-Infoline team

Hello corueegg
To increase sustainability, the PET weight of the M-Budget mineral water bottles has been reduced. The new PET bottle shapes now weigh 31 g instead of 34.8 g. As a result of this change, the bottle is slightly higher than the previous bottle. As we unfortunately have no influence on this process and consider the ecological aspect to be very important, the bottle will not be changed. The bottle shape was found to be easy to handle in the tests.
Best regards


We hope that this information will help you and send you our best regards. Your M-Infoline Team

I completely agree with corueegg and couldn't put it better what my wife and I find so annoying about the new bottle.
Sustainability and weight reduction are all well and good, but in my opinion the bottle is an imposition on us consumers. I would ask Migros Ingenieure to make a little more effort to restore the old stability even with the reduced weight! Thank you very much.
We think the taste and price are great.

Hello guest
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Thank you for your inquiry and your interest in our product!
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Hello silvanpfi
We would be happy to provide you with more detailed information regarding the change of source for M-Budget water:
In order to guarantee the supply of water in sufficient quality and quantity, the catchment systems of the springs originally used for the M-Budget brand (Aven springs), which date back to the early 1960s, had to be renewed. A new source was therefore created in line with the best production practices. The new Saphir source is of excellent quality and is very similar to the Aven sources.
The Aven springs and the Saphir spring are similar both in their overall mineralization and in their main minerals. In addition, there is no discernible difference in taste between the two natural mineral waters:
Ingredients mg/l
Until May 2011
From May 2011
Ratio
Sodium Na
9
7
0.8
Magnesium Mg
22
26
1.2
Calcium Ca
115
95
0.8
Nitrate NO3
4
0.5
0.1
Hydrogen carbonate HCO3
170
235
1.4
Sulphate SO4
230
140
0.6
Total mineralization
585
535
0.9
pH value
7.7
7.6
1.0
Source information
Sources from Aven
Sapphire source
-
Further information on the label
-
Aérée / Aerated
-
The new label states "Aerated/Aerée". As natural water contains iron, which precipitates on contact with air, the water must be aerated and filtered. Oxygen is added to the water to reduce excessive iron content, as otherwise iron could later precipitate in the bottle. The iron only needs to be removed for aesthetic reasons. This process is permitted under Swiss law and is also customary.
We regret that you do not like the water from the new Saphir spring and will take it up with us.
Best regards
Your M-Infoline Team

As the water comes from the Valais, I would be interested to know the uranium content. Is there any information on this?

As the water comes from the Valais, I would be interested to know the uranium content. Is there any information on this?

As the water comes from the Valais, I would be interested to know the uranium content. Is there any information on this?

In today's k-tipp it says that the M-Budget mineral water source is located in Vétroz (VS), and has a uranium content of 7.8 micrograms / liter!!! Out of 25 tested waters, it is therefore in 4th last place! And again as a reminder: In Germany, mineral water advertised for infant formula may contain a maximum of 2 micrograms of uranium per liter.
For all of us who want to switch to healthy water: "Appenzell" water from Gontenbad (AI) scored best with less than 0.1 micrograms per liter.

Hello guest
We are happy to provide you with more detailed information regarding the change of source for M-Budget water:

In order to guarantee the supply of water of sufficient quality and quantity, the catchment systems of the springs originally used for the M-Budget brand (Aven springs), which date back to the early 1960s, had to be renewed. A new source was therefore created in line with the best production practices. The new Saphir source is of excellent quality and is very similar to the Aven sources.

The Aven springs and the Saphir spring are similar both in their overall mineralization and in their main minerals. In addition, there is no discernible difference in taste between the two natural mineral waters:



Ingredients mg/l

Until May 2011

From May 2011

Ratio


Sodium Na

9

7

0.8


Magnesium Mg

22

26

1.2


Calcium Ca

115

95

0.8


Nitrate NO3

4

0.5

0.1


Hydrogen carbonate HCO3

170

235

1.4


Sulphate SO4

230

140

0.6


Total mineralization

585

535

0.9


pH value

7.7

7.6

1.0


Source information

Sources from Aven

Sapphire source

-


Further information on the label

-

Aérée / Aerated

-



The new label states "Aerated/Aerée". As natural water contains iron, which precipitates on contact with air, the water must be aerated and filtered. Oxygen is added to the water to reduce excessive iron content, as otherwise iron could later precipitate in the bottle. The iron only needs to be removed for aesthetic reasons. This process is permitted and customary under Swiss law.
We regret that you do not like the water from the new Saphir spring and will take it up with us.
Best regards from the M-Infoline team

If there was no difference in taste, I wouldn't have noticed the change of source.
I already drank AVEN when it was still called AVEN and I only bought Budget water because it came from the AVEN source; if M-Budget is now cheap water, will AVEN be a separate brand again?
I won't be buying any more budget water. If AVEN is no longer available, I'll look for another one.

Yes, logically there is a noticeable difference in taste. I don't pay attention to the source information for every bottle, but only noticed this because of the difference in taste...