Fluorine in food and toothpastes is actually bodily harm. Fluorine is toxic and its effectiveness in connection with dental care has not been proven. Whether fluorine as it is found in water and toothpaste can lead to cancer and brain damage has not really been proven either, but the suspicion is there and the possibility certainly exists.
Fluorine in food and toothpastes is actually bodily harm. Fluorine is toxic and its effectiveness in connection with dental care has not been proven. Whether fluorine as it is found in water and toothpaste can lead to cancer and brain damage has not really been proven either, but the suspicion is there and the possibility certainly exists.
Hello Snizzle
Thanks for your post. There is obviously a confusion here with fluorine (the toxic gas) and fluoride (the salt). Maybe you didn't read our post from July 4?
Fluoride is completely harmless and very effective against tooth decay in the small quantities (legal maximum concentration 0.15%) in which it is contained in toothpaste or table salt.
Of course, you can keep your teeth in good condition without fluoride, but people with less good genes will have much less success. This is why all reputable organizations (health authorities, dentists, consumer advice centres) recommend fluoride toothpastes.
At the end of your post, you mention a conspiracy theory that says that governments want to make their people stupid by poisoning them with fluoride in drinking water (i.e. forced fluoride intake). Apart from the fact that drinking water in Switzerland has not been fluoridated for a long time because fluoride can be applied much more precisely through toothpaste, these theories have been refuted in extensive scientific studies.
Best regards, Jetmire
Hello Snizzle
Thanks for your post. There is obviously a confusion here with fluorine (the toxic gas) and fluoride (the salt). Maybe you didn't read our post from July 4?
Fluoride is completely harmless and very effective against tooth decay in the small quantities (legal maximum concentration 0.15%) in which it is contained in toothpaste or table salt.
Of course, you can keep your teeth in good condition without fluoride, but people with less good genes will have much less success. This is why all reputable organizations (health authorities, dentists, consumer advice centres) recommend fluoride toothpastes.
At the end of your post, you mention a conspiracy theory that says that governments want to make their people stupid by poisoning them with fluoride in drinking water (i.e. forced fluoride intake). Apart from the fact that drinking water in Switzerland has not been fluoridated for a long time because fluoride can be applied much more precisely through toothpaste, these theories have been refuted in extensive scientific studies.
Best regards, Jetmire
Guest
To Jetmire and every reader
There is no misunderstanding here. I know exactly what I am talking about, but it seems to me that you do not.
When two fluorine atoms combine, a fluorine molecule is formed. When a fluorine atom accepts an electron, the fluoride (ion) is formed. Why do you think that salt with fluorine stands? Do you think that gas is blown into the salt? Oh, on the subject of "conspiracy theory". It's not the government that is dumbing down the people. Migros sells fluoridated table salt and toothpaste and who produces it? And why is salt with fluoride almost half as expensive as salt without?
Perhaps you should read the discussion in Parliament in 2006 before you argue with distorted medical and chemical knowledge and try to take the reader and me for fools. Here is the link: https://www.parlament.ch/de/ratsbetrieb/suche-curia-vista/geschaeft?AffairId=20063094
Guest
Zur Rose opened its first shop-in-shop pharmacy in Migros Marktgasse in Bern on July 6, 2017. There are also Cumulus points, because Zur Rose in Migros is a new collection partner!
So there are fluoride-free toothpastes in Migros ;-)
"In the interests of dental health, we therefore find it unreasonable to offer fluoride-free toothpaste to the general public." (Tanja_Migros 2014)
Apparently, Migros has now changed its mind in this regard.
@Snizzle It is true that fluorine is a chemical element, a gas and therefore very toxic. It is not used anywhere in food, drinking water or cosmetics. Fluoride is a naturally occurring salt that can be used to prevent tooth decay and is therefore used in toothpaste, mouthwash and table salt. In the past, it was also added to drinking water, but this has been abandoned for some time now.
We obtain our table salt from Schweizer Rheinsalinen (Swiss salt monopolist and our supplier). According to the "Ordinance of the FDHA on Soups, Condiments and Vinegar, Art. 13, Section 1", table salt (common salt) is salt that is obtained from underground rock salt deposits (like ours), from seawater (like a sea salt producer) or from natural brine and is intended for human consumption. It must contain at least 97% sodium chloride (formula NaCl) by dry weight. It is true that the elementary starting materials (sodium and chlorine) of which sodium chloride is composed are chemically very reactive and toxic elements. However, the resulting reaction product "sodium chloride" (a so-called ionic compound) is absolutely harmless and an indispensable food component for human (and animal) nutrition. There is no "other form" of table salt! The same applies to prophylactic additives: the elementary starting substances (iodine and fluorine) can certainly be classified as reactive and toxic. The effectively used iodine and fluorine compounds (potassium iodide, potassium iodate and potassium fluoride) are already much more harmless and develop the desired positive effects for human or animal health in the low doses used.
Kind regards,
Andrea
Guest
"This invalidates the common assertion that fluorine is a vital trace element. Caries is not a fluoride deficiency disease. On the other hand, the harmfulness of such alleged prophylaxis has been proven many times over." Quote from https://www.parlament.ch/de/ratsbetrieb/suche-curia-vista/geschaeft?AffairId=20063094
The co-signatories include scientists and doctors.
To Andrea and every reader
According to the World Health Organization (WHO), tooth decay is the most widespread infection in the world. Around 95 percent of all Europeans are affected. I ask myself why this dogma is still being insisted on in view of these figures, precisely because the majority of people in Europe use fluoridated toothpaste and/or salt. The positive effect on teeth emphasized by you and Migros, as well as the reasons for Migros' insistence on the alleged health benefits, must be called into question. The harmfulness to the brain and cells has been demonstrated and proven by numerous studies. Fluorine is toxic, even in the chemical compound!
PS: Yes, sodium and chlorine make sodium chloride. Salt is elementary for the human body, that's clear. Migros sells sodium chloride with fluorine, as mentioned in my article above. Why is salt with fluorine from, as you say, the monopolistic Schweizer salinen AG as expensive as salt without fluorine? Why is toothpaste without fluorine not available in most supermarkets and Migros, or only in pharmacies? Migros claims in the article of July 4, quote: "Fluorine or fluoride is also a trace element. This means that humans need fluoride to live, without fluoride we, or any mammal, cannot live." End of quote. That is not true. What you are doing is window-dressing, do you still notice anything?
@Snizzle
Regarding table salt: The higher price for salt without additives is due to the fact that mainly salt with iodine and fluorine is produced. Salt without additives is produced in much smaller quantities, which makes production costs more expensive, hence the higher price.
Regarding toothpaste: As already mentioned, we rely on reputable organizations such as health authorities, dentists and consumer advice centers, which recommend toothpastes containing fluoride and adhere to the legal requirements. Please understand that we have already given you all the information available on this and therefore cannot go into any further detail.
Kind regards,
Andrea
Guest
But of course I understand you. I won't argue with you any further. Jurasel extracts the salt using the evaporated salt process. After drying, the company extracted the pure salt directly for packaging. However, the pure salt is almost twice as expensive as the salt containing iodine and fluorine (which of course incurs additional costs). The reason given is that the enriched salt sells better. But then, according to the logic of the market economy (supply and demand), the salt that sells better should be more expensive. Do you believe the fairy tales you hear? The argument is probably that the green lettering on the packaging causes almost double the cost, or that the monopolist is not bound by the rules of the economy and has no profit interests.
The facts are there and everyone can read the published studies and form their own opinion. In our capitalist form of society, not everyone can become a banker, scientist or doctor, let alone allow themselves the luxury of waking up, otherwise it would not function in this way.
salve servus!
"Are you a Migros kid too? The Easter bunny will be here in a few months. Go work for me and make me rich. The main thing is that you don't notice, keep swallowing your medicine and walk through life like a zombie."
Toothpaste without fluorine
https://alnatura-shop.de/g/product/2000030401/basis-sensitiv-Zahncreme-Classic+Lavera.jsf
to be found in the Alnatura stores
Until 1938, fluorine was clearly declared as rat poison. At some point, the waste from metal production, namely fluoride, had to be used somewhere else. The USA, or more precisely Mr. Rumpsfeld, then had the brilliant idea of putting it in toothpastes, salt etc. and so the laws were rewritten and we were made to believe that this was good for us.
Read for yourself and research and protest
http://dieter-broers.de/lp/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Die_Macht_der_Zirbeldruese.pdf
In drugstores and health food shops in Switzerland there are countless brands with well-known names such as Weleda, Lavera etc. all without fluoride. But you have to try out which one you like.
Guest
To Jetmire and every reader
There is no misunderstanding here. I know exactly what I am talking about, but it seems to me that you do not.
When two fluorine atoms combine, a fluorine molecule is formed. When a fluorine atom accepts an electron, the fluoride (ion) is formed. Why do you think that salt with fluorine stands? Do you think that gas is blown into the salt? Oh, on the subject of "conspiracy theory". It's not the government that is dumbing down the people. Migros sells fluoridated table salt and toothpaste and who produces it? And why is salt with fluoride almost half as expensive as salt without?
Perhaps you should read the discussion in Parliament in 2006 before you argue with distorted medical and chemical knowledge and try to take the reader and me for fools. Here is the link: https://www.parlament.ch/de/ratsbetrieb/suche-curia-vista/geschaeft?AffairId=20063094
Guest
Zur Rose opened its first shop-in-shop pharmacy in Migros Marktgasse in Bern on July 6, 2017. There are also Cumulus points, because Zur Rose in Migros is a new collection partner!
So there are fluoride-free toothpastes in Migros ;-)
"In the interests of dental health, we therefore find it unreasonable to offer fluoride-free toothpaste to the general public." (Tanja_Migros 2014)
Apparently, Migros has now changed its mind in this regard.
@Snizzle It is true that fluorine is a chemical element, a gas and therefore very toxic. It is not used anywhere in food, drinking water or cosmetics. Fluoride is a naturally occurring salt that can be used to prevent tooth decay and is therefore used in toothpaste, mouthwash and table salt. In the past, it was also added to drinking water, but this has been abandoned for some time now.
We obtain our table salt from Schweizer Rheinsalinen (Swiss salt monopolist and our supplier). According to the "Ordinance of the FDHA on Soups, Condiments and Vinegar, Art. 13, Section 1", table salt (common salt) is salt that is obtained from underground rock salt deposits (like ours), from seawater (like a sea salt producer) or from natural brine and is intended for human consumption. It must contain at least 97% sodium chloride (formula NaCl) by dry weight. It is true that the elementary starting materials (sodium and chlorine) of which sodium chloride is composed are chemically very reactive and toxic elements. However, the resulting reaction product "sodium chloride" (a so-called ionic compound) is absolutely harmless and an indispensable food component for human (and animal) nutrition. There is no "other form" of table salt! The same applies to prophylactic additives: the elementary starting substances (iodine and fluorine) can certainly be classified as reactive and toxic. The effectively used iodine and fluorine compounds (potassium iodide, potassium iodate and potassium fluoride) are already much more harmless and develop the desired positive effects for human or animal health in the low doses used.
Kind regards,
Andrea
Guest
"This invalidates the common assertion that fluorine is a vital trace element. Caries is not a fluoride deficiency disease. On the other hand, the harmfulness of such alleged prophylaxis has been proven many times over." Quote from https://www.parlament.ch/de/ratsbetrieb/suche-curia-vista/geschaeft?AffairId=20063094
The co-signatories include scientists and doctors.
To Andrea and every reader
According to the World Health Organization (WHO), tooth decay is the most widespread infection in the world. Around 95 percent of all Europeans are affected. I ask myself why this dogma is still being insisted on in view of these figures, precisely because the majority of people in Europe use fluoridated toothpaste and/or salt. The positive effect on teeth emphasized by you and Migros, as well as the reasons for Migros' insistence on the alleged health benefits, must be called into question. The harmfulness to the brain and cells has been demonstrated and proven by numerous studies. Fluorine is toxic, even in the chemical compound!
PS: Yes, sodium and chlorine make sodium chloride. Salt is elementary for the human body, that's clear. Migros sells sodium chloride with fluorine, as mentioned in my article above. Why is salt with fluorine from, as you say, the monopolistic Schweizer salinen AG as expensive as salt without fluorine? Why is toothpaste without fluorine not available in most supermarkets and Migros, or only in pharmacies? Migros claims in the article of July 4, quote: "Fluorine or fluoride is also a trace element. This means that humans need fluoride to live, without fluoride we, or any mammal, cannot live." End of quote. That is not true. What you are doing is window-dressing, do you still notice anything?
@Snizzle
Regarding table salt: The higher price for salt without additives is due to the fact that mainly salt with iodine and fluorine is produced. Salt without additives is produced in much smaller quantities, which makes production costs more expensive, hence the higher price.
Regarding toothpaste: As already mentioned, we rely on reputable organizations such as health authorities, dentists and consumer advice centers, which recommend toothpastes containing fluoride and adhere to the legal requirements. Please understand that we have already given you all the information available on this and therefore cannot go into any further detail.
Kind regards,
Andrea
Guest
But of course I understand you. I won't argue with you any further. Jurasel extracts the salt using the evaporated salt process. After drying, the company extracted the pure salt directly for packaging. However, the pure salt is almost twice as expensive as the salt containing iodine and fluorine (which of course incurs additional costs). The reason given is that the enriched salt sells better. But then, according to the logic of the market economy (supply and demand), the salt that sells better should be more expensive. Do you believe the fairy tales you hear? The argument is probably that the green lettering on the packaging causes almost double the cost, or that the monopolist is not bound by the rules of the economy and has no profit interests.
The facts are there and everyone can read the published studies and form their own opinion. In our capitalist form of society, not everyone can become a banker, scientist or doctor, let alone allow themselves the luxury of waking up, otherwise it would not function in this way.
salve servus!
"Are you a Migros kid too? The Easter bunny will be here in a few months. Go work for me and make me rich. The main thing is that you don't notice, keep swallowing your medicine and walk through life like a zombie."
Toothpaste without fluorine
https://alnatura-shop.de/g/product/2000030401/basis-sensitiv-Zahncreme-Classic+Lavera.jsf
to be found in the Alnatura stores
Until 1938, fluorine was clearly declared as rat poison. At some point, the waste from metal production, namely fluoride, had to be used somewhere else. The USA, or more precisely Mr. Rumpsfeld, then had the brilliant idea of putting it in toothpastes, salt etc. and so the laws were rewritten and we were made to believe that this was good for us.
Read for yourself and research and protest
http://dieter-broers.de/lp/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Die_Macht_der_Zirbeldruese.pdf
In drugstores and health food shops in Switzerland there are countless brands with well-known names such as Weleda, Lavera etc. all without fluoride. But you have to try out which one you like.
