Recycling bags for open vegetables

Recycling Tüten beim offenen Gemüse

Guest

Hello dear Migipedia team

I recently went shopping at Fressnapf and noticed that this company gives its customers shopping bags made from recyclable material. The material seems to be the same as that used for compost bags. The idea of giving away such bags is perfect for open-front sales of the same kind of bags: Vegetables, fruit, bread, cheese etc. etc.! Dear Migros, please help to reduce the unspeakable flood of unnecessary plastic.
Thank you :)

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Guest

I got the same bags from Chrigu's Beck in Zollikofen. They really do look like the compost bags.

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Daniel_Migros

Hello divbal

Thank you for your feedback and your idea!

Self-service fruit and vegetable bags are already reducing packaging waste: thanks to them, more material-intensive pre-packaging can be largely dispensed with. Contrary to popular belief, biodegradable materials do not necessarily perform better than synthetic materials in life cycle assessments. This is despite the fact that the former are usually made from renewable raw materials and can be composted. One of the reasons for this is that biodegradable materials (e.g. made from corn, potato or soy starch) sometimes compete with food production.

Depending on their intended use, paper sacks are also not a relevant alternative to plastic sacks: they perform up to four times worse in the life cycle assessment than the lighter plastic sacks, which are indispensable as packaging for fresh fruit and vegetables in open sales, for example. The reasons for this are as follows: A lot of water is used in the manufacture of the pulp for paper production. Paper bags also have to be thicker than plastic bags so that they can withstand the weight of the contents. This makes paper bags more material-intensive.

We naturally keep a close eye on the development of new packaging. Our aim is to produce packaging that is as environmentally friendly as possible. As a first step, we want to optimize the packaging of our 250 best-selling products by the end of 2012: http://www.migros.ch/generation-m/de/konsum/verpackungen.html

Best regards
Daniel, Migipedia team

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Guest

Dear Daniel

Plastic bags are evil. Sorry, but they are. Paper is always the better option. Paper bags decompose faster and do not cause long-term damage to the environment. In contrast, plastic bags are once again a long-term legacy. Plastic is and will never be the solution.

greetings moz

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Daniel_Migros

Hello moz

Thank you for your opinion. Paper bags are certainly often useful. In Switzerland, however, plastic bags do not end up in landfills, but in modern waste incineration plants. The energy released when the bags are incinerated is reused to produce electricity and heat, and the resulting flue gases are effectively cleaned.

Best regards
Daniel, Migipedia team

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Guest

Theoretically they land there... I'm a pedestrian and I see these things blowing through the neighborhood. Like the dried bushes in the Wild West movies...

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Frederica

@Daniel,

thank you ... for the detailed explanations.

@moz,

... aren't you confusing something?

Take-away packaging from sandwiches & co. is becoming a littering problem, not ultra-thin plastic bags from the fruit and vegetable departments!

Which citizen does not dispose of this packaging in the household waste at home?

I don't know where you walk, but I do know what it looks like on hiking, cycling, roller-skiing and mountain biking trails, as these cross the hamlet where we live.

Greetings Istanbul

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Rebecca07

Hello everyone

I also walk a lot and am often amazed at what is lying on the street. But just as often as I see plastic lying on the street, there is just as often paper, glass, cloth, aluminum foil, etc. lying on the ground. Plastic alone is not "bad". What is "evil" is what some (or many) people do with it. - e.g. leaving it on the street.

Even if plastic bags were replaced by paper in open sales, there would still be heaps of other plastic packaging as well as objects, toys, technology, etc.

Isn't half the world made of plastic?

Paper may decompose faster, but it is made from fibers of plant origin, which should give you pause for thought!

But at the end of the day, everything mankind produces is derived from nature. And therefore it would actually be the responsibility of each individual person to decide what they do with these objects. What they use them for, how they dispose of them, etc.

Plastic bags, such as carrier bags, have the advantage that they can be used more often as they are water-repellent and simply more stable. Paper bags tear quickly, depending on the weight of the contents. Ultimately, everything has its pros and cons.

Rebecca07

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Guest

Wow, I've sparked off a lively discussion :)
Thank you Daniel for your prompt and comprehensive response! However, you quickly drifted off to the topic of paper or plastic, but I was talking about compost bags. It also seems to me that your argumentation is more influenced by the plastic lobby. I warmly recommend the movie "Plastic Planet" to you and the others.

@moz exactly Plastic is evil! I hope you consider this great baker regularly :)

I find the reasoning of the other users a bit sad. Just because some brainless people do unspeakable littering with everything doesn't mean that they don't do anything for a better environment! On the contrary, every single one of us counts, otherwise there wouldn't be so much garbage lying around.
Best regards
Anita

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Guest

I think these plastic bags are ok - paper makes sense for baked goods, but not for salads or other fresh produce with a high moisture content, for example
The packaging is also hygienic protection and I'm happy to be able to buy the salad packaged like this. It wasn't so long ago that people would pick at lettuce as if they were looking for lice in their hearts. With unwashed hands of course, straight from the toilet, after picking their nose or after a sneezing fit. You thought you saw mucus from a snail... but it probably came from a nose.... Bon appétit !

On the contrary - I would like to see more pre-packaging of food precisely because of hygiene. I buy open vegetables and fruit as soon as possible after opening in the morning, when everything is still fresh, the strawberries have not yet been sniffed by countless noses and there is less risk of finding thin nasal secretions.

Sorry, but I had to exaggerate a little, otherwise these plastic freaks (plastic is evil.... ;-) ) won't understand that hygiene has its price.

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Rebecca07

@wef17

I completely agree with you. After everything I've experienced in the fruit and vegetable department, it's a miracle that I still buy unpackaged food at all. - There are people who sneeze or cough (WITHOUT putting their hand over their mouth!) all over the shelves. - They could turn away, but no, it's all about the vegetables :((
Or these fingernail marks in the apples are also nice.

Just because there are still people who think plastic is ok doesn't mean that you can put all these people in a drawer and claim that they are doing nothing for the environment.

This whole eco and organic story, sorry to say it so openly, is not exactly the yellow of the egg either. Everything is always touted as being so wonderfully green and good, but if you take a closer look, you soon realize that this side of things also has its pitfalls.

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