The new website, with the promotions, is a terrible mess!
Prices are missing, pictures are missing ... Every time you visit the site, you have to set that you don't just want 20 entries and everything is so cumbersome, as if it were "programmed" by "Emil" .... the site looks like Emil's upside-down baby carriage. All that's missing now is someone saying: "now everything is flush"....
How stupid do Migros think their customers are, do they really believe that anyone still watches such bad advertising these days?
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Guest
@Sabine_Mgros. Then please, immediately, stop giving me outrageous tips here ("enter zip code, delete cookies, delete temporary files and "the site works wonderfully").
You can try out for yourself whether these stupid tips improve the gray pictures and the countless women's socks without prices on the campaign page.
And if you then also realize that these filthy, nonsensical, standard tips, which in 99% of all cases have no effect at all, destroy millions of francs every year (which could be used to save countless people from starvation), then you can only be ashamed! .
The screenshot on the page http://m ail2vip.com/vippages/migros/damensoeckchen.jpg clearly shows that the site is by no means "wonderful".
If you are confusing Migipedia with China, or other dictatorships, where people are "blocked", then it is unnecessary for me to try to report an obviously, totally ineptly designed advertising site. I'd better send a copy of the page to the CEO of Migros ... Perhaps he is intelligent enough to realize that the Migros "promotion page" is such a botch-up that it is very surprising that I have to be insulted here by people who obviously gloss over and excuse even the biggest mess with friendly words. At least that saves me from having to listen to the computer geek chatter with the tips from the cookies! . If you really are from Migros, then I want to know specifically what you have done to ensure that this strange site no longer drives customers away? And also why you only took note of this after I made myself clear here? Or do you also hope that the botched work of the web programmers can be "improved" by the users by means of moronic cookie deletion actions?
You can better "forget" your stupid speeches about "blocking". As a lawyer, I am extremely allergic to people who practice vigilante justice and, as the great-grandson of a man who helped Gottlieb Duttweiler in the early days of Migros and as a Migros cooperative member, I find it deeply incomprehensible why you allow yourself to threaten me with "blocking" here.
Take a look at the pages of Aldi, Coop, Denner, Lidl, Otto's and count how many articles there are without a picture, how many articles there are without a price ... you won't find 3 (or more) "women's socks" without a picture and price. The Coop page opens completely after just 3 clicks. Please do your job properly and learn to stick to the rule on the Internet that the "accused" is not simply lynched because he objects to being treated unkindly.
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Apparently two contributions have been "lost" here
... acko has just posted a comment on this. It reads: "And if you want, I can show you a screenshot of what the page looks like. What it looks like for the user above,......."
and acko has just added a comment. It reads: "The page works fine for me (and for the user above too)... and if it doesn't work for you, it's not the whole IT system that's stupid. Rather, it will have a bug somewhere. Instead of being nice to you..."
If the ladies' socks page really works really works sooooo wonderfully, then maybe it's because a shabby, rude programmer from Migros is "discriminating" against ME personally??? Maybe it's just that the site management, with the zip code, is a bit too complicated for beginner website hobbyists to cope with????
I am a MIGROS customer ... I want a promotions page that is sensibly and rationally designed.
Not even the butler deletes the cache from my butler's cleaning lady. Neither do cookies. My butler doesn't change the zip code either.
And quite apart from that, it's not just the ladies' socks that are a bit "clumsy", the whole site is a botch!
If Acko has now learned that it's always the user's fault and that you can make a lot of friends among incompetent computer scientists with this attitude, that's sad, but I don't need to learn such nonsense.
Acko: even if you don't want to admit it and find it exaggerated: such stupid pages destroy time and manpower. And to such an extent that people have to starve every day because the people who waste their time with such sites are not doing anything productive.
Migros, in particular, supposedly attaches great importance to ensuring that as many people as possible are well off ...., so why are they wasting their customers' time with such poorly designed offer pages? I am one of the people who came up with the saying ... "we rent cars". This saying says nothing other than that you have to concentrate on your core business. I don't understand why Migros doesn't understand that someone who has to spend a long time looking for offers has less time to buy. Surely any reasonably business-minded Migros manager should understand that?
Guest
@ako you are not helping anyone with clumsy "computer tricks". You're just uncritically spreading the "all-worlds-computer-breakdown-around-delusions" of some would-be "computer experts".
The "delete cookies" thing doesn't help at all globally. Only in individual cases, for example, when an Italian-language page is constantly displayed instead of a page in your language, can deleting the cookie that is causing this help.
Nevertheless, many stupid computer "experts" have made this their "favorite advice". The "delete cache" thing is another one of those entrenched ideas that uncritical people are constantly suggesting as a "magic bullet". Even that doesn't help against sites with standard images.
The Migros promotions page, even if it worked, is already very bad and inefficient. Even you can't find the silly checkboxes at the top of the page "nice"!
I don't know why the page supposedly appears without the absurd "women's socks" offers that you can see on my screen shot. Migros doesn't pay to look for the reason!
If this really happens to you, or to others, without the "ladies' socks craze" (or many similar sites), then the only reason I can think of is that it has something to do with the zip code .... and then we are on the verge of a war breaking out against the "Bourbines" from the other side of the Röstigraben!!!!!!!!!! You're lucky ... I'm a late riser! So I won't be challenging you to a duel at the Röstigraben tomorrow morning at sunrise. That would ruin my whole day, because it would fall into my deep sleep time!!! But I have to admit that you, the barbarians from the other side of the Röstigraben, have already overstepped the mark when you renamed Porrentrui "Pruntrut". And now we're also being discriminated against with blatant advertising for women's socks ....
And as for the other problems in the world, they really do exist .... but you have to start somewhere to eliminate the many problems. And if you imagine that such computer science problems are not worth mentioning, then you are seriously mistaken! Computer science problems have the huge flaw that they "multiply". If a stupidly designed web page ruins one minute for you, then it will do the same for millions of other people .... and that is no longer "just" one minute that is ruined ...
In the case of email SPAM, for example, we assume that email SPAM causes damage of over one million francs every day in Switzerland alone (and this is an extremely conservative calculation). I hope you're not going to tell me that you can't do anything about hunger in the world with 365 million francs a year????
There are many areas in IT where time and manpower are being wasted, whether intentionally (even with criminal intent) or unintentionally (usually out of stupidity).
The Federal Council is now banning free plastic bags because, if disposed of badly, they pollute our oceans ... but the Federal Council has not yet realized that the environment is much more polluted by "invisible" pollution than by visible plastic bags.
It's a shame that we are destroying the huge improvements that IT has brought to environmental protection by stealing people's productive working time with stupid, time-wasting gimmicks.
Guest
@ hjspub: Thank you so much for drawing my attention to this campaign page. It's so practical and easy to use, I'll be using it again and again from now on! THANK YOU!
Guest
@nin82 is that meant satirically? No one in their right mind could possibly find the women's socks ads practical ... but perhaps this really is a site that computer beginners and pensioners enjoy because there are no distracting pictures and because you can only find the prices OVERVIEWED on a special page. Maybe you also like to keep clicking on the mouse ... like the children who used to ride in the steam locomotive and pull the lever for the whistle ... in french the whistle lever is called ... "ne touche pas petit con"... My time is too precious for me to spend hours clicking around in ladies' socks...
Guest
*haha* but still enough time to give ALL THOSE insults from you?! Wow, what dedication!
But seriously, I really believe that if you had taken a different tone from the beginning, you would have gotten so much further here with your suggestions, which as a company you should take to heart. And the way I've gotten to know the Migipedia employees, they always have an open ear. Have you seriously ever had any really positive experiences with this way of dealing with people?
Let's summarize now; you have already called me a: not even halfway reasonable person, as a child AND pensioner as well as a computer beginner who loves to play with the mouse and with "pipe levers". So that doesn't offend me at all because you don't know me. But that somehow puts me in a position to give you something nice and small along the way: As you shout into the forest, so it comes back. It's very easy to remember and totally true. Unfortunately I can't translate that into French for you now, sorry! I'M PROBABLY TOO STUPID FOR THAT! *haha*
And to answer your question, I wasn't being sarcastic... Without your post, which was visible on the homepage, I probably wouldn't have discovered it myself until much later. So here again a sincere thank you!
Guest
You know, if someone is that stupid and doesn't realize that the Migros promotion page (which you haven't even looked at yet ... You're obviously confusing the summary with the page I'm complaining about) is significantly worse than the same page at the Coop, then you can't help them anyway.
The example of the Damensécklili's actions can only be described, with malice aforethought, as "good advertising". You probably want to praise Migros to death ... I can do that too ... beautiful site, really cool, the gray women's socks, without a price. ( http://mail2vip.com/vippages/migros/damensoeckchen.jpg )
If you bully your customers, then you have to hope that they complain ... otherwise they will go to the competition .... and they are growing from day to day. I already prefer to go to Aldi than Migros.
Before you go on ranting about my "tone" (all people who have no good arguments do this), take a look at a comparison of the Coop and Migros campaigns at
... if you don't realize there that the Migros version (the little grey "fly shit heaps", without price, on the right side) is complete crap, then your "old man no longer cares" .... or you are suffering from a sad form of "popularity hysteria" .....
Earlier I saw a Migros "test" where they want to test how shopping center plans should look on a smartphone .... This test also shows that Migros is employing more and more computer scientists to play "Computerlili".
What a stupid child you must be if you want to offer people a "map" of a shopping center in 5x15 cm format, where, after 10 minutes of fumbling around, you can find out where Migros is in a shopping center ... you can find that, even in very large shopping centers, without any smartphone and much faster.
Computer science is not an occupational therapy for monkeys who don't know how to kill time in their cage.
But maybe I'm wrong, maybe there are already a lot more "monkeys" who have nothing clever to do than clever people ... but even they will be very disappointed by Migros' shopping center plans ... someone really forgot to write down where there are bananas!!! Poor monkeys ..... a Lölli organization is that ....
Guest
Who's stopping you from shopping at the competition? I do and I don't really care who thinks what. At the end of the day, I buy what I like, nobody tells me to. So much for the topic of popularity. Your accusation that I want to praise Migros to death also has neither hand nor foot. The only people I have praised are the Migipedia employees. But for me, they don't stand for Migros as a whole.
I would really suggest that you just go to the store (whichever one) like you used to and "just" go shopping... that should ease your nerves a bit.
And you're right, the Coop site is really nicely designed, nicer than the Migros site in my opinion. And yet I don't really understand your excitement. If there was no site at all, you'd probably be complaining about it. And if Migros' site was nicer than Coop's, you'd probably be complaining there. If you want to find a fly in the ointment, you always do in the end...even if you put it there yourself.
But to spare my nerves, that was my last post, because it looks like we have fundamentally different views and you can really discuss it to death, which probably wouldn't help anyone here. My time is too valuable for that. Especially when the other person is so presumptuous.
Then I wish you a good night.
Guest
@Akko ... I have no trauma with "ladies' socks" ... on the one page I have shown there are several "actions" with these "socks", without price and without sense and purpose. This is a completely stupid site.
It may well be that this is due to the zip code ... that it looks a bit better with your zip code, but a page like this must be displayed to every customer in Switzerland in such a way that the customer doesn't feel like an idiot.
I don't find the Coop site particularly "nice" either, but it is much clearer ... quite good pictures, prices and it even says how much discount is on a product.
The Migros site is also ... also with you ... is completely wrongly structured ... at the top there is a list where you get the impression that you first have to put "crosses" in boxes. If you check something there and then change the stupid box with the 20 entries into 100, the whole, laboriously made crosses disappear again. Only if you have done this a few times and then, by chance, realize that ticking the boxes is a senseless waste of time, you don't do this monkey work anymore.
I am a computer scientist and I have learned that under no circumstances should you accept that users fabricate "tourn-a-rounds". What is such a "tourn-a-round"? It's when, for example, you have a keyboard that causes the computer to crash when you press the key for "ä" and you then always type ae instead of ä. Experienced computer scientists know that you can get into the habit of such "tourn-a-rounds" ... even so bad that you then always tap the z key instead of the y key when you want to type y. People get so used to such things that they even find completely stupid websites "great" after a certain "training period".
This is psychologically the same delusion that leads to completely crazy dictators being adored by millions of people. if you classify such "tourn-a-rounds" as normal, this is the same behavior as when North Koreans cheer for their weird "leader" ... It's been drummed into them in the same way that the Migros promotions site has drummed into people that they simply have to "get around" the many mistakes.
When computer scientists impose such "tourn-a-rounds" on people, it's impertinent, dirty and such a thing is bungling.
Or would you find it normal if you went to Migros and bought a cocoa drink, which then, at home, wasn't cocoa at all, but whisky, and then Migros told you we're not allowed to sell whisky, so we "delight" our customers with whisky in cocoa bottles ... all our "dear" customers know that, except for idiots like you!!!! .
The issue of "tourn-a-rounds" is a huge problem in our society ... stupid people try to avoid a lot of problems with "tourn-a-rounds" and don't realize that you have to tackle problems at the root.
In the long term, "tourn-a-rounds" always lead to a situation like that in a home for the mentally handicapped: "Heini is just too stupid to drink from a cup, so he gets a baby bottle." In the end, all handicapped people drink from a baby bottle because it has become "normal".
Computer science also has the enormous disadvantage that the effects of every mistake "multiply": one minute that you mess up becomes, extrapolated to Switzerland, more than a million minutes that you mess up.
You have to keep two things apart: - What IT has produced - What the marketing experts put in.
Women's socks without pictures are pointless, but belong in category 2. And missing prices are also in this category. As a consumer, I say that a promotion without a price is not very helpful. But the package people probably see it differently. Therefore: As a computer scientist, I'd better distance myself from this error category, it's not my area.
Category 1 is also not beyond all doubt. Here we have to differentiate between operation and correct functionality. I have tried to view the actions with Opera - HOPEFULLY, even by entering the direct URL incl. zip (zip code) I do not get a reasonable output! IE 9, Chrome and Firefox, on the other hand, work properly.
But the incomprehensible operation is certainly an obstacle for the first time and offers plenty of "room for improvement"!
