I find it hypocritical of Migros to still position itself as a Swiss retailer after what has happened in the non-food sector in recent months. From Iam liquid soaps to Fanjo and other shower products (e.g. ph-balance) to, more recently, Miobrill household sponges and certainly many more: until recently, they were all produced in Switzerland. Recently, a number of Migros classics have been produced abroad. Are they still as good? And above all: why hasn't the price changed by a cent now that it's obviously cheaper to buy? Do the Swiss still have to hesitate to buy the same goods much cheaper in other countries close to the border? Ultimately, it's about all our jobs! As a cooperative, Migros has a responsibility to support domestic production. And if it is unavoidable because it is too expensive here: then please pass the savings on to the customers!
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This is nothing new and the development in this direction will even increase with the fall of the Schoggi law. Swissness will soon be a thing of the past, and not just for Migros. Not only will products from abroad become more common, Swiss production sites will also move abroad.
Migros is a Swiss retailer because it is at home in Switzerland. But it will never be more, at best less. It tried to gain a foothold in Germany, but didn't succeed. Migros was simply too expensive, although the pasta and chocolate multipacks in Lörrach were much cheaper than here. But that wasn't enough, Migros obviously didn't have the know-how to expand into neighboring countries. Aldi and Lidl are much better at this and were able to establish themselves in Switzerland despite the overpowering food giant Migros. However, Migros found a loophole in 2013 with the takeover of Tegut. Migros boss Blunschi confirmed in February 2013 that the company was more confident about continuing Tegut in Germany than expanding with Migros stores.
Recently, a number of Migros classics have been produced abroad. Are the products still as good? Probably yes, but even if they weren't, it would be hard to prove. Fraud is part of the business, as you can see from the moderator responses here or the lack thereof on certain topics. For example, they refer to (secret) life cycle assessments and consistently ignore any questions about them. So you definitely have something to hide.
And above all: why has the price not changed by a single centime now that it is obviously cheaper to buy? Fraud is part of the business. You can be glad that prices haven't gone up, given that Migros has higher costs for transporting goods.
Do the Swiss still have to hesitate to buy the same goods much cheaper in other countries close to the border? They don't have to and they don't. The flow of shopping tourists has risen steadily in recent years. Good comparative examples of this are many stationery, small tools and cleaning articles that are offered for (apparently) little money in the Migros outlet. You can get exactly the same items much cheaper in the large canton. You can also order many products that you can get in Migros much cheaper and postage-free from Amazon. When shipping to Switzerland, the price is then reduced by the German VAT, which is deducted during the purchase process. Books and magazines are also much cheaper in the big canton, as are many foodstuffs, building materials, cigarettes, etc. If Migros sells cheap EU goods here at Swiss prices, you can take a day trip and import them yourself at reasonable prices.
As a cooperative, Migros has a responsibility to support domestic production. Who says so?
And if it is unavoidable because it is too expensive here: then please pass the savings on to the customers! Why should Migros do this when there seems to be another way? There are still quite a few Swiss stores that have not yet realized that consumers are comparing prices and increasingly shopping elsewhere. In Germany, you get a three-year guarantee on technical appliances, with some stores (e.g. Bauhaus) even five years. The exact same goods are also available here for a higher price and usually only a one-year guarantee. :-)
But ultimately it's about all our jobs! The relocation of production abroad and the increasing deterioration of Switzerland as a business location is the result of the Swiss government. Just think of the SNB's euro strike last year. There, out of greed for profit, no consideration was given to the economic losses suffered by Swiss companies. So why should we stand up for the preservation of jobs?
About a year ago, I complained that more and more products, especially in the non-food sector, were being manufactured abroad. At the time, this was vehemently denied. Every time I go to Migros, I see new products replacing a Swiss product. It sucks, dear Migros! You make yourselves out to be a great, green, Swiss retailer, but you are moving more and more in the direction of a money-grabbing rip-off company that is screwing people over. And then the media make people feel guilty because they go shopping in Germany. You are doing exactly the same thing, only on a much larger scale!
You sound like a neoliberal migi piglet. Maybe you're right, but is it right? I don't think you can simply shift the responsibility to the politicians and then say that they're just ripping you off anyway. When I see certain prices, I ask myself whether the consumer isn't sometimes the one being ripped off. Great, in the big canton you can get a kilo of pork fillet for 6 euros or something. Have you ever thought about what the supply chain behind it must look like? I'd rather not look too closely. I remember when we used to get great bread from the bakery and Sunday roasts from the butcher (they were already dry aged back then). I think we need to ask ourselves what kind of world we want to live in and take our responsibility both at the ballot box and at the checkout. We could achieve a lot. But this is not really new.
@steckiThatreally bothers me too. I was just about to buy recycled tissues on Saturday. From linsoft, so from Migros. Now 75% of the shelf of a large store is full of Kleenex products. But I don't want to buy Kleenex! At Migros, I mainly want to buy Migros products and products made in Switzerland. I also want to preserve jobs in Switzerland and do something to protect the environment by keeping transportation distances short. And then I discovered that Mon Chéri is now also available. Etc., etc. There is simply less and less Migros in Migros. It soon makes no difference where you shop. All these products from the big brand manufacturers. You can find them everywhere. Migros will no longer remain true to itself, and that will have an impact. Then customers will also be less and less loyal. Soon it will no longer be something special to go shopping in Migros, where the products have their own flair. Soon there will only be one plus point left: it's nice that Migros still doesn't sell alcohol or tobacco!
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@shoppingtourist And once again, out of the blue, I am assigned to a political camp. :-) Make me a member of the Federal Council, I would also like to use a military helicopter for private pleasure, even if I were to convert it into a garden shed. :-)
Of course it is right not to buy imported goods at inflated Swiss prices, but to import them ourselves at reasonable prices. It is just as right to re-import Swiss products at much lower prices. Responsibility is a good keyword here, because personal responsibility and not allowing oneself to be taken advantage of or taken for a fool is an important point that should be taught to children. Yes, ok, the Swiss are relatively good-natured and with their hands in their pockets they seem rather lazy. But that doesn't mean that they are allowed to play any shitty game.
First and foremost, they have an obligation to themselves and their families, especially because even a Swiss salary is not inexhaustible. But then to describe consumers as rip-off artists is bordering on cheeky. It is by no means illegitimate to compare prices and services, especially as stores are constantly asking you to do just that. Whether Migros magazine, Coop newspaper, Manor, Lidl, Otto or Aldi advertisements, you are always suggested that you can get more for your money from the respective provider. The stores obviously want customers to shop at the cheapest place and if they do so across the border, you can't blame them.
Kaufland has at least four types of Midor biscuits at € 1.49 per 100g pack. In terms of content, they are certainly no worse than the CreaDor or Choc-Midor from Migros, which all cost over CHF 3 per 100g pack. At the normal price, without any promotion, you get twice as much for the same money at Kaufland as at Migros. Alnatura whole cane sugar costs CHF 3.10 at Migros but only €1.25 at the German DM. https:// produkte.migros.ch/alnatura-vollrohrzucker https:// www.dm.de/alnatura-vollrohr-zucker-p4104420024106.html
Unfortunately, you can't even be sure that a private label is a Swiss product. Concrete example: I am shaving mousse, made in the EU. I actually buy Mibelle products because I assume that they are made on my doorstep, but here too the customer is blinded.
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I have received the following feedback regarding the production of Mibelle products abroad:
Mibelle, which belongs to the Migros industrial group, manufactures most of the care and cosmetic products for Migros itself in Switzerland. It usually works its machines to full capacity. From time to time there are even capacity bottlenecks. This means that Mibelle is unable to meet demand itself.
In these cases, it outsources simpler products to companies abroad, which manufacture them for Mibelle. Mibelle sets precise specifications so that the products do not differ from those manufactured in Switzerland. For this reason, and because we have to import the products back again, this practice has no influence on prices. Mibelle always has hairsprays and similar aerosol products manufactured abroad because their production requires certain filling techniques and corresponding machines that Mibelle does not have. These products are therefore labeled "Made in EU".
Why doesn't Mibelle outsource production to companies in Switzerland? A capacity bottleneck is no reason to have production abroad.
Nobody actually doubts the quality of these products (made in China is something else), the point is that by buying Swiss products I want to contribute to the preservation of jobs and not support globalization. But that was already easier with Migros.
I didn't address the point about the price, but: yes, that should actually have an influence on the price. Massively lower wage costs abroad, lower raw material prices, poorer social benefits, etc...
Whenever possible, we award such contracts to Swiss manufacturers. But the problem is that there are fewer and fewer companies in Switzerland that manufacture such products. So we have to rely on foreign manufacturers.
Mibelle has high quality standards for external manufacturers, but only needs a relatively small quantity in comparison. This, but also the logistics, customs clearance, etc., all have an impact on the costs.
