What is Migros' position on the highly critical program about the abuses of the MSC label? Is it really no longer possible to buy fish with a clear conscience?
What is Migros' position on the highly critical program about the abuses of the MSC label? Is it really no longer possible to buy fish with a clear conscience?
@KarlESch
If you are asking Migros to comment on a shipment, you should at least name the shipment in question:
Name of the program?
Broadcaster?
Date of broadcast?
Possibly a link to the program in the media library
How else is anyone supposed to know which program you mean?
@KarlESch
If you are asking Migros to comment on a shipment, you should at least name the shipment in question:
Name of the program?
Broadcaster?
Date of broadcast?
Possibly a link to the program in the media library
How else is anyone supposed to know which program you mean?
Nachtspalter, you're right. The link to the SRF program is
https://www.srf.ch/sendungen/dok/das-geschaeft-mit-dem-fischsiegel-msc
@Bodenseeknusperli
Yes, of course: for decades now, we've all been told that as soon as a label like this is emblazoned on a package, we don't need to ask any more questions because these labels guarantee that everything is in perfect order and that even the wood grows happily with FSC.
Hello everyone
Thank you very much for your messages. I am happy to share the response from our experts with you:
We base our selection on the assessments of the WWF, which classifies all our products as either "acceptable" or "recommended". WWF carries out independent assessments of each product. Migros explicitly does not source any products from the fisheries criticized in the film.
Best regards
Kathrin
Hello Kathrin,
Then Migros could do without the MSC and instead print the WWF ratings on the packaging. The same would also apply to advertising.
Dear Kathrin
My response is a little late, but until I found out whether and how the topic of MSC can be introduced or taken up at Migros, I had to search around a bit. But now:
Unfortunately, the answer from your experts is not satisfactory. M must not cooperate with (or adorn itself with) a label that is accused of being corrupted by criminal machinations - or where the responsible label organization suppresses any critical investigation. The purpose of a label for me as a consumer is to be able to trust, no, to be sure that a product is correct (and I therefore pay a higher price or do not boycott the product, for example). However, the answer below shows once again how little use labels are for the real purpose, but they probably work very well in marketing. It is frustrating that M simply shifts responsibility in a crisis (e.g. to the WWF). I ask the M experts - covered by the M - to publicly and unequivocally demand that the MSC investigate the allegations by third parties - and to stop selling MSC products for the time being. And: join forces with Coop, Aldi and the like!
Furthermore, who is standing by the WWF? Would the WWF confirm your answer in public? I would welcome it if M would turn your fight for truthful labels into a huge public campaign (because of this expectation, I remain loyal to M to this day).
Dear Kathrin
My response is a little late, but until I found out whether and how the topic of MSC can be introduced or taken up at Migros, I had to search around a bit. But now:
Unfortunately, the answer from your experts is not satisfactory. M must not cooperate with (or adorn itself with) a label that is accused of being corrupted by criminal machinations - or where the responsible label organization suppresses any critical investigation. The purpose of a label for me as a consumer is to be able to trust, no, to be sure that a product is correct (and I therefore pay a higher price or do not boycott the product, for example). However, the answer below shows once again how little use labels are for the real purpose, but they probably work very well in marketing. It is frustrating that M simply shifts responsibility in a crisis (e.g. to the WWF). I ask the M experts - covered by the M - to publicly and unequivocally demand that the MSC investigate the allegations by third parties - and to stop selling MSC products for the time being. And: join forces with Coop, Aldi and the like!
Furthermore, who is standing by the WWF? Would the WWF confirm your answer in public? I would welcome it if M would turn your fight for truthful labels into a huge public campaign (because of this expectation, I remain loyal to M to this day).
Hello @a-jakob My feedback is also a bit late. I hope you'll forgive me. Well, the MSC label organization takes a detailed position on the film in question, the information is here: https://www.msc.org/de/presse/stellungnahmen/das-geschaeft-mit-dem-fischsiegel We take the following position on the three central themes of the film - shark finning, dolphin bycatch, bribery of fisheries observers: - All shark and shark finning footage in the film comes from non-MSC-certified fisheries. The Spanish fishery accused of shark finning dropped out of the MSC assessment process after the MSC and various NGOs objected to the initial assessment report. The fishery is not and has never been MSC-certified. Notwithstanding this fact, the footage purporting to show shark finning in the fishery is also incoherently downloaded from the internet and predates the MSC itself - the footage purporting to illustrate dolphin bycatch in the MSC-certified Mexican tuna fishery is also over 30 years old and does not represent the fishery as it is today. Since the 1980s, when the archive footage was shot, the fishery has reduced dolphin mortality by more than 99 percent. It rightly bears the MSC sustainability seal - In November 2018, the independent experts from SCS Global Services responsible for fisheries certification investigated the accusation of bribery of fishery observers in the Mexican tuna fishery made in the film. However, their interviews with fishery observers in Mexico did not reveal any evidence of falsification of the bycatch data collected on board, for example through bribery. I hope this has shed some light on the matter. Best regards Sebastian
Hello @a-jakob My feedback is also a bit late. I hope you'll forgive me. Well, the MSC label organization takes a detailed position on the film in question, the information is here: https://www.msc.org/de/presse/stellungnahmen/das-geschaeft-mit-dem-fischsiegel We take the following position on the three central themes of the film - shark finning, dolphin bycatch, bribery of fisheries observers: - All shark and shark finning footage in the film comes from non-MSC-certified fisheries. The Spanish fishery accused of shark finning dropped out of the MSC assessment process after the MSC and various NGOs objected to the initial assessment report. The fishery is not and has never been MSC-certified. Notwithstanding this fact, the footage purporting to show shark finning in the fishery is also incoherently downloaded from the internet and predates the MSC itself - the footage purporting to illustrate dolphin bycatch in the MSC-certified Mexican tuna fishery is also over 30 years old and does not represent the fishery as it is today. Since the 1980s, when the archive footage was shot, the fishery has reduced dolphin mortality by more than 99 percent. It rightly bears the MSC sustainability seal - In November 2018, the independent experts from SCS Global Services responsible for fisheries certification investigated the accusation of bribery of fishery observers in the Mexican tuna fishery made in the film. However, their interviews with fishery observers in Mexico did not reveal any evidence of falsification of the bycatch data collected on board, for example through bribery. I hope this has shed some light on the matter. Best regards Sebastian
Good evening Sebastian_Migros My reply is still a little late, but I still want to send it. Thanks to your comments, it has once again become clear that all sides need to be heard (and read).... Knowing that I simply have to "believe" the statement from msc.org and cannot carry out the fact check myself, I am glad that MSC itself provides detailed information - i.e. if you want to check whether the label provider is cheating, you can. On the other hand, I would like to thank you for your answer - unfortunately belatedly. I am glad that Migipedia and Migros as a whole are taking this seriously. Kind regards, a-jakob
Nachtspalter, you're right. The link to the SRF program is
https://www.srf.ch/sendungen/dok/das-geschaeft-mit-dem-fischsiegel-msc
@Bodenseeknusperli
Yes, of course: for decades now, we've all been told that as soon as a label like this is emblazoned on a package, we don't need to ask any more questions because these labels guarantee that everything is in perfect order and that even the wood grows happily with FSC.
Hello everyone
Thank you very much for your messages. I am happy to share the response from our experts with you:
We base our selection on the assessments of the WWF, which classifies all our products as either "acceptable" or "recommended". WWF carries out independent assessments of each product. Migros explicitly does not source any products from the fisheries criticized in the film.
Best regards
Kathrin
Hello Kathrin,
Then Migros could do without the MSC and instead print the WWF ratings on the packaging. The same would also apply to advertising.
Dear Kathrin
My response is a little late, but until I found out whether and how the topic of MSC can be introduced or taken up at Migros, I had to search around a bit. But now:
Unfortunately, the answer from your experts is not satisfactory. M must not cooperate with (or adorn itself with) a label that is accused of being corrupted by criminal machinations - or where the responsible label organization suppresses any critical investigation. The purpose of a label for me as a consumer is to be able to trust, no, to be sure that a product is correct (and I therefore pay a higher price or do not boycott the product, for example). However, the answer below shows once again how little use labels are for the real purpose, but they probably work very well in marketing. It is frustrating that M simply shifts responsibility in a crisis (e.g. to the WWF). I ask the M experts - covered by the M - to publicly and unequivocally demand that the MSC investigate the allegations by third parties - and to stop selling MSC products for the time being. And: join forces with Coop, Aldi and the like!
Furthermore, who is standing by the WWF? Would the WWF confirm your answer in public? I would welcome it if M would turn your fight for truthful labels into a huge public campaign (because of this expectation, I remain loyal to M to this day).
Dear Kathrin
My response is a little late, but until I found out whether and how the topic of MSC can be introduced or taken up at Migros, I had to search around a bit. But now:
Unfortunately, the answer from your experts is not satisfactory. M must not cooperate with (or adorn itself with) a label that is accused of being corrupted by criminal machinations - or where the responsible label organization suppresses any critical investigation. The purpose of a label for me as a consumer is to be able to trust, no, to be sure that a product is correct (and I therefore pay a higher price or do not boycott the product, for example). However, the answer below shows once again how little use labels are for the real purpose, but they probably work very well in marketing. It is frustrating that M simply shifts responsibility in a crisis (e.g. to the WWF). I ask the M experts - covered by the M - to publicly and unequivocally demand that the MSC investigate the allegations by third parties - and to stop selling MSC products for the time being. And: join forces with Coop, Aldi and the like!
Furthermore, who is standing by the WWF? Would the WWF confirm your answer in public? I would welcome it if M would turn your fight for truthful labels into a huge public campaign (because of this expectation, I remain loyal to M to this day).
Hello @a-jakob My feedback is also a bit late. I hope you'll forgive me. Well, the MSC label organization takes a detailed position on the film in question, the information is here: https://www.msc.org/de/presse/stellungnahmen/das-geschaeft-mit-dem-fischsiegel We take the following position on the three central themes of the film - shark finning, dolphin bycatch, bribery of fisheries observers: - All shark and shark finning footage in the film comes from non-MSC-certified fisheries. The Spanish fishery accused of shark finning dropped out of the MSC assessment process after the MSC and various NGOs objected to the initial assessment report. The fishery is not and has never been MSC-certified. Notwithstanding this fact, the footage purporting to show shark finning in the fishery is also incoherently downloaded from the internet and predates the MSC itself - the footage purporting to illustrate dolphin bycatch in the MSC-certified Mexican tuna fishery is also over 30 years old and does not represent the fishery as it is today. Since the 1980s, when the archive footage was shot, the fishery has reduced dolphin mortality by more than 99 percent. It rightly bears the MSC sustainability seal - In November 2018, the independent experts from SCS Global Services responsible for fisheries certification investigated the accusation of bribery of fishery observers in the Mexican tuna fishery made in the film. However, their interviews with fishery observers in Mexico did not reveal any evidence of falsification of the bycatch data collected on board, for example through bribery. I hope this has shed some light on the matter. Best regards Sebastian
Hello @a-jakob My feedback is also a bit late. I hope you'll forgive me. Well, the MSC label organization takes a detailed position on the film in question, the information is here: https://www.msc.org/de/presse/stellungnahmen/das-geschaeft-mit-dem-fischsiegel We take the following position on the three central themes of the film - shark finning, dolphin bycatch, bribery of fisheries observers: - All shark and shark finning footage in the film comes from non-MSC-certified fisheries. The Spanish fishery accused of shark finning dropped out of the MSC assessment process after the MSC and various NGOs objected to the initial assessment report. The fishery is not and has never been MSC-certified. Notwithstanding this fact, the footage purporting to show shark finning in the fishery is also incoherently downloaded from the internet and predates the MSC itself - the footage purporting to illustrate dolphin bycatch in the MSC-certified Mexican tuna fishery is also over 30 years old and does not represent the fishery as it is today. Since the 1980s, when the archive footage was shot, the fishery has reduced dolphin mortality by more than 99 percent. It rightly bears the MSC sustainability seal - In November 2018, the independent experts from SCS Global Services responsible for fisheries certification investigated the accusation of bribery of fishery observers in the Mexican tuna fishery made in the film. However, their interviews with fishery observers in Mexico did not reveal any evidence of falsification of the bycatch data collected on board, for example through bribery. I hope this has shed some light on the matter. Best regards Sebastian
Good evening Sebastian_Migros My reply is still a little late, but I still want to send it. Thanks to your comments, it has once again become clear that all sides need to be heard (and read).... Knowing that I simply have to "believe" the statement from msc.org and cannot carry out the fact check myself, I am glad that MSC itself provides detailed information - i.e. if you want to check whether the label provider is cheating, you can. On the other hand, I would like to thank you for your answer - unfortunately belatedly. I am glad that Migipedia and Migros as a whole are taking this seriously. Kind regards, a-jakob
