Hello everyone, don't worry, I am aware that hay milk also contains lactose. Nevertheless, this experience with hay milk may be of interest to some "I can't tolerate milk" people. I found out from my GP that, like many others, I can no longer tolerate milk well. There has been a wild debate for years as to why the number of lactose intolerant people has risen so sharply. You often hear that it's because today's children don't go out and "eat dirt". Well, it's close to the truth - but it's not the children - it's the cows. Almost all of our cows today no longer eat grass (hay), instead they are given concentrated feed (including soya). As a result, the milk is of a different, even poor quality, because the more different the grasses (herbs), the more nutrients - the healthier the milk. Anecdote about my unconscious self-experiment: After the diagnosis, I was on vacation in Greece again for years and drank normal Greek whole milk due to old habits. It wasn't until the second day that I realized that I hadn't previously reacted to the lactose in this milk. Together with friends, I came up with the theory that this must have something to do with the way the cows were kept, or rather their feed. Independently of this, I found out from a documentary on ARD "The tricks with milk and cheese" that the term "hay milk", at least in Germany, guarantees cows that eat mainly grass. So I started drinking hay milk. It was amazing how well I tolerated it - just like before, without any problems. I tolerated more lactose-containing products. A farmer from Zermatt told me about a similar experience with a lactose-intolerant visitor. He was sad about his intolerance to dairy products, but the farmer encouraged him to eat his home-made yoghurt from his meadow cows with his zMorgä - he would certainly tolerate it. And yes, the man tolerated it and was very surprised. It's also the case that if I don't drink hay milk, the intolerance symptoms return immediately. Unfortunately, although knowledge of the benefits is spreading, there is no hay milk to buy in Migros. Why would any of you be happy if Migros were to include hay milk in its range? -- I kindly ask all vegans not to propagandize here, otherwise the topic will go completely under --
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Hi Lo0_0ora, I would definitely try it (if it's not super expensive). Are they perhaps organic milk products from cows that only eat grass? There's an article somewhere on here about the milk issue at Migros... but I can't find it anymore.
Hello, I grew up on a farm and now my brother has taken over my parents' farm. Depending on what the milk will be used for later, the feeding is handled accordingly. What you mean is probably called silage or silage feed. The milk from my brother's cows (the cows all have a name, by the way) is processed into cheese. That's not possible with silage milk. That's why his cows are given grass or pasture in the summer and hay in the winter (with access to exercise, of course). This is very costly. The milk quality is at the highest level. Believe me, a lot of values are checked! Cheese can only be made if these two factors are right (no silage milk + top milk quality). In his case, Emmentaler is the result. My point is that there is obviously a difference between silage milk and hay milk! In Switzerland, there has been a label for hay milk for not so long: www.heumilch.ch That's a very interesting discovery you've made! I hope that you can enjoy many delicious dairy products without any worries!
Hello Lo0_0ora, thank you very much for your message and your suggestion. The specialist agency informs me that they are currently not planning to launch hay milk, I am very sorry. We understand that this is disappointing for people with an intolerance. However, space is limited, so we cannot integrate as many products as we like into our range. Of course, all departments have been informed of your request. Kind regards, Richi
Hello Lo0_0ora So I am kind enough to allow myself to be silenced :-) Or not quite? But I am very friendly... ;-) Because you can always kindly encourage people to think: For me it is obvious that allergies and intolerances are "natural" on the one hand, because we don't actually tolerate breast milk from other species in these quantities when we are adults and that THIS would actually be the normal state of affairs. And on the other hand, I completely agree with you that industrial mass dairy farming causes many more problems, such as the fact that cows are suddenly no longer allowed to eat only grass/herbs. So I support your proposal: I'd rather have hay milk than conventional milk... It's a shame that Migros and many customers can't (yet) move away from subsidized mass milk, but there are many reasons for this.
If there was hay milk for everyone in the world, from a cow in a natural (small) herd (with a bull) that has "received" its calf naturally, is allowed to keep and raise the calf (which means we only get very little milk as a delicacy), is then allowed to get pregnant again when SHE wants, is allowed to keep her horns, eat grass, live as long as she wants and die when she wants, then I would drink cow's milk again. But then... very probably only about once a year or once a lifetime, because otherwise there wouldn't be enough for everyone (calves and humans) and the valuable cow's milk would have to be weighed out with gold... (Because that's how valuable it actually would be/is ;-) I kindly ask that non-vegans don't propagate here, otherwise we'll all go under... No joking aside, please be kind ;-)
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By the way, where is a good website that covers homemade yogurt makers. Maybe you too can make your own yogurt? https://vernunftigewahl.de/joghurtbereiter-test/
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By the way, where is a good website that covers homemade yogurt makers. Maybe you too can make your own yogurt? https://vernunftigewahl.de/joghurtbereiter-test/
Hey, unfortunately I don't know of any such site, but I would also like to eat more yogurt, as yogurt also helps to strengthen the immune system (source: https://www.sundt.de/blog/immunsystem-aufbauen/). Especially in times of Corona, I want to do as much as possible with my diet to stay healthy and not get infected with anything... That's why I find the topic of making my own yogurt very interesting :D
Hi Lo0_0ora, I would definitely try it (if it's not super expensive). Are they perhaps organic milk products from cows that only eat grass? There's an article somewhere on here about the milk issue at Migros... but I can't find it anymore.
I have also been lactose intolerant since birth. But I can tolerate goat's milk and Tyrolean milk and all other processed dairy products. I have long suspected that other milks, for example from Luxembourg, Belgium, France and Germany, have become a problem for me in terms of taste, watering down and silage. It sounds funny, but it's true: as a baby I was given 1 spoonful of sugar water every hour because I couldn't even tolerate breast milk. I wonder why that was ?