Seriously, does the black or green issue really have an effect on customers? Why do you want that, and if you want that, then please don't take the money from the customer, because he doesn't really care whether the boxes are green or black. Only those who then have to buy everything new again because MIGROS wants it that way. https://m.20min.ch/finance/news/story/migros-aergert-lieferanten-mit-neuen-gemuesekisten-16390770
Seriously, does the black or green issue really have an effect on customers? Why do you want that, and if you want that, then please don't take the money from the customer, because he doesn't really care whether the boxes are green or black. Only those who then have to buy everything new again because MIGROS wants it that way. https://m.20min.ch/finance/news/story/migros-aergert-lieferanten-mit-neuen-gemuesekisten-16390770
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All this in the name of sustainability. Dear Migros, please explain to me what happens to the green boxes that are no longer needed? Dispose of them?
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All this in the name of sustainability. Dear Migros, please explain to me what happens to the green boxes that are no longer needed? Dispose of them?
It is up to Migros to decide how it wants to present its fruit and vegetable department. So why does there have to be a report?
For me, the farmers' associations have too much influence everywhere.
If that's what Migros wants, then you have to comply with Migros. Aldi Suisse and Lidl Switzerland don't just use IFCO either, and did the farmers resist? Hardly...
Maybe so, but maybe not. If Migros wants different crates then they should have those crates. But will they take the trouble to repack the fruit and vegetables from the green crates into the black crates for their presentation? ..... I don't think the farmer should simply buy green and black crates. And that's just because Migros wants to. It pays the farmers for the crates.
I could also say, go shopping by public transport because it's more ecological, not by car, but then you have to pay for the GA travelcard yourself. And buy Armani clothes so that you look nice, but you have to pay for them yourself. Simply because that's what I want. The same principle, just presented a little more sarcastically and dramatically.
If there are additional deliveries, Migros will need black boxes again and will have to buy more because there are none left. Everything black, why not wooden crates again? Customers will notice that in their wallets.
@riya82
That's a really valid question that I don't think we'll get an answer to. I think I reacted too extremely, but I also think, "If that's what you want as a disigner, then you should pay for it and not let the producer buy extra black for Migros even though the boxes have been green for at least 30 years. ?
The green IFCO crates also have a rental charge, depending on the size of the container. They are washed centrally in Villmergen. But what producer Bösiger pointed out about the often very short ordering time of the wholesalers will lead to problems because the product is often in the wrong crate and is repacked, which does not necessarily lead to a better shelf life (pressure marks).
So, dear retailers, why don't you agree on a container in Switzerland? The advantages for the customer outweigh the disadvantages in terms of freshness!
Hello everyone
There have already been a lot of questions and incorrect statements. I have obtained information on this topic from the responsible body and can provide you with some answers and try to summarize it as clearly as possible and cover all the points:
The crates (old and new) are IFCO reusable containers. The company IFCO Systems GmbH is the supplier of these crates. They are therefore not from Migros itself. After 20 years, IFCO has now developed a new generation of these reusable containers.
IMPORTANT: These new crates are being rolled out throughout EUROPE. They are flatter and offer more internal volume for products, so that more products can be transported per pallet. This leads to CO2 savings and the products are also better protected in the new crates (unfortunately I don't know why or how).
The color doesn't really matter at all. They are still available in green, but Migros has opted for black. But they would also be new boxes in green.
Is that necessary with the new boxes? Yes. It is NOT our decision. Sooner or later, all customers and suppliers will have to change over. Yes, we could have done it later. But the advantages of the new crates convinced our specialists and so the decision was made to change over early.
What happens to the old crates? They go back to IFCO and are recycled by other customers or shredded 100% into granulate to make new reusable containers. Some of the new crates are made of 100% recycled plastic from old reusable containers. They are therefore not simply disposed of.
Now to the costs: the rental costs for the new crates are the same as for the old ones. What increases is the deposit. However, the deposit will be refunded in full when the crates are returned. Indirect additional costs may certainly arise at the beginning for individual producers due to more complex work processes. If this has a particular impact on one of our suppliers, they can and will certainly bring this to our attention. After all, Migros is in regular contact with its suppliers.
Finally, you may also be interested to know that the suppliers have had more than a year to prepare for this changeover. The suppliers have been aware of this not only since the report on 20 Minuten.
So we are not taking money from customers for this, nor have we thought it up and are forcing suppliers to do it. It's something that comes from all over Europe. We are simply some of the first here to make the switch.
I hope this answers your questions and provides more understanding in this matter.
Best regards, Nina
Thanks @Nina_Migros Ergo everyone will get the deposit back in exchange for the black boxes? As I understand it. No other questions.
Hello @Mystery1978. Not quite right, but almost: the deposit is not returned in exchange for the black boxes. Instead, the previous green crates go back and you get the deposit you paid back then. Then you need new black crates, for which you then pay a new deposit (the deposit amount changes). So, strictly speaking, there are simply two separate steps. But in any case, there are no costs for new returnable containers that would have to be purchased.
Hello, Nina
It is up to Migros to decide how it wants to present its fruit and vegetable department. So why does there have to be a report?
For me, the farmers' associations have too much influence everywhere.
If that's what Migros wants, then you have to comply with Migros. Aldi Suisse and Lidl Switzerland don't just use IFCO either, and did the farmers resist? Hardly...
Maybe so, but maybe not. If Migros wants different crates then they should have those crates. But will they take the trouble to repack the fruit and vegetables from the green crates into the black crates for their presentation? ..... I don't think the farmer should simply buy green and black crates. And that's just because Migros wants to. It pays the farmers for the crates.
I could also say, go shopping by public transport because it's more ecological, not by car, but then you have to pay for the GA travelcard yourself. And buy Armani clothes so that you look nice, but you have to pay for them yourself. Simply because that's what I want. The same principle, just presented a little more sarcastically and dramatically.
If there are additional deliveries, Migros will need black boxes again and will have to buy more because there are none left. Everything black, why not wooden crates again? Customers will notice that in their wallets.
@riya82
That's a really valid question that I don't think we'll get an answer to. I think I reacted too extremely, but I also think, "If that's what you want as a disigner, then you should pay for it and not let the producer buy extra black for Migros even though the boxes have been green for at least 30 years. ?
The green IFCO crates also have a rental charge, depending on the size of the container. They are washed centrally in Villmergen. But what producer Bösiger pointed out about the often very short ordering time of the wholesalers will lead to problems because the product is often in the wrong crate and is repacked, which does not necessarily lead to a better shelf life (pressure marks).
So, dear retailers, why don't you agree on a container in Switzerland? The advantages for the customer outweigh the disadvantages in terms of freshness!
Hello everyone
There have already been a lot of questions and incorrect statements. I have obtained information on this topic from the responsible body and can provide you with some answers and try to summarize it as clearly as possible and cover all the points:
The crates (old and new) are IFCO reusable containers. The company IFCO Systems GmbH is the supplier of these crates. They are therefore not from Migros itself. After 20 years, IFCO has now developed a new generation of these reusable containers.
IMPORTANT: These new crates are being rolled out throughout EUROPE. They are flatter and offer more internal volume for products, so that more products can be transported per pallet. This leads to CO2 savings and the products are also better protected in the new crates (unfortunately I don't know why or how).
The color doesn't really matter at all. They are still available in green, but Migros has opted for black. But they would also be new boxes in green.
Is that necessary with the new boxes? Yes. It is NOT our decision. Sooner or later, all customers and suppliers will have to change over. Yes, we could have done it later. But the advantages of the new crates convinced our specialists and so the decision was made to change over early.
What happens to the old crates? They go back to IFCO and are recycled by other customers or shredded 100% into granulate to make new reusable containers. Some of the new crates are made of 100% recycled plastic from old reusable containers. They are therefore not simply disposed of.
Now to the costs: the rental costs for the new crates are the same as for the old ones. What increases is the deposit. However, the deposit will be refunded in full when the crates are returned. Indirect additional costs may certainly arise at the beginning for individual producers due to more complex work processes. If this has a particular impact on one of our suppliers, they can and will certainly bring this to our attention. After all, Migros is in regular contact with its suppliers.
Finally, you may also be interested to know that the suppliers have had more than a year to prepare for this changeover. The suppliers have been aware of this not only since the report on 20 Minuten.
So we are not taking money from customers for this, nor have we thought it up and are forcing suppliers to do it. It's something that comes from all over Europe. We are simply some of the first here to make the switch.
I hope this answers your questions and provides more understanding in this matter.
Best regards, Nina
Thanks @Nina_Migros Ergo everyone will get the deposit back in exchange for the black boxes? As I understand it. No other questions.
Hello @Mystery1978. Not quite right, but almost: the deposit is not returned in exchange for the black boxes. Instead, the previous green crates go back and you get the deposit you paid back then. Then you need new black crates, for which you then pay a new deposit (the deposit amount changes). So, strictly speaking, there are simply two separate steps. But in any case, there are no costs for new returnable containers that would have to be purchased.
Hello, Nina
